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    Default Single Frequency Locators

    Does anyone like any of these single frequency locators......RD 5000, Schonstedt xtpc ,Subsite 830, Fisher tw-82 ,Metrotech Vivax 810, Subsurface PL-1500?

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    long time no see man...... I think they are really for contractors who do very little locating and multiple freqs might just confuse them.

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    well ...I learn something everyday for which I am thankful. I did not know there were any single freq. machines out there . I assumed all of them had at least 2 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda View Post
    long time no see man...... I think they are really for contractors who do very little locating and multiple freqs might just confuse them.
    uhhhh.... I don't think I've had the pleasure of disagreeing with you yet, but I have to on this one.

    My main piece of equipment is a single frequency locator. (metrotech 810). I do agree that they were originally designed for simple operators to understand how it works.... Turn it on and go. I will give you that anyone with a single frequency digital locator is probably in your group of people who don't want to be confused by the use of other frequencies. I however, still swing the good ole analog 810. As simple as a single frequency locator sounds, because of the high frequency and ability for it to bleed over onto other utilities, you need to know what you are doing. It's definitely not for the faint of heart. Most of the people I know who still swing an old style 810 do quite a bit of locating and typically have a multi frequency locator sitting in the rig for the situations that need it.

    I am however a biased old fogey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mke View Post
    uhhhh.... I don't think I've had the pleasure of disagreeing with you yet, but I have to on this one.

    My main piece of equipment is a single frequency locator. (metrotech 810). I do agree that they were originally designed for simple operators to understand how it works.... Turn it on and go. I will give you that anyone with a single frequency digital locator is probably in your group of people who don't want to be confused by the use of other frequencies. I however, still swing the good ole analog 810. As simple as a single frequency locator sounds, because of the high frequency and ability for it to bleed over onto other utilities, you need to know what you are doing. It's definitely not for the faint of heart. Most of the people I know who still swing an old style 810 do quite a bit of locating and typically have a multi frequency locator sitting in the rig for the situations that need it.

    I am however a biased old fogey.

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    Dammit Mke, it's been nearly 20 years since I lost my beloved Metrotech. I'm only now finishing my final stage of grief. Dam I miss that 810

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mke View Post
    uhhhh.... I don't think I've had the pleasure of disagreeing with you yet, but I have to on this one.

    My main piece of equipment is a single frequency locator. (metrotech 810). I do agree that they were originally designed for simple operators to understand how it works.... Turn it on and go. I will give you that anyone with a single frequency digital locator is probably in your group of people who don't want to be confused by the use of other frequencies. I however, still swing the good ole analog 810. As simple as a single frequency locator sounds, because of the high frequency and ability for it to bleed over onto other utilities, you need to know what you are doing. It's definitely not for the faint of heart. Most of the people I know who still swing an old style 810 do quite a bit of locating and typically have a multi frequency locator sitting in the rig for the situations that need it.

    I am however a biased old fogey.

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    I don't even think of the 810 in the same class as the locators he listed, I mea just the other day at some locating for the future meeting of the big players they brought the 810 up as a locating system before it;s time and the fact that is still in use today, the meeting was about the future with cloud based servers keeping track of all prior locates and have that information available to the next guy who needs it and a lot of other stuff. But the units that where listed are cheaper than the same companies other units since they have just one freq. and I still believe they are like that for contractors to have on hand, less training, cheaper takes the quesswork out of what freq. to use etc.
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    I also should have said I don't consider the vivax 810 the same as the old metrotech 810. I have the metrotech 810 but have never used the vivax 810 as I had read that is was nothing like the original but again I have never owned the vivax unit. I still use my 810 but due to space in my rig it sits at the shop and I carry the pipehorn behind my seat. If the 810 was as narrow I would probably carry it instead of the pipehorn.

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    I use a RD7000 for most things, i leave the 810 for the hard ones. On a survey ticket an 810 on a service can locate almost every steel mains and steel services from one hook up point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda View Post
    I also should have said I don't consider the vivax 810 the same as the old metrotech 810. I have the metrotech 810 but have never used the vivax 810 as I had read that is was nothing like the original but again I have never owned the vivax unit. I still use my 810 but due to space in my rig it sits at the shop and I carry the pipehorn behind my seat. If the 810 was as narrow I would probably carry it instead of the pipehorn.
    The numbers on the display are different, but the new 810 is still a locating beast. Works better inductively than almost every multi-frequency box. The new Vivax 5 watt transmitter does put out a great inductive signal too, though. It seems that the machines that use an air-gap induction antenna aren’t quite as good as a ferrous core. The Subsite Utiligaurd puts out a decent signal too. Looking forward to trying out the vLoc3 soon.
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    I don't think about the 810 in indistinguishable class from the locators he recorded, i mes not more than a day or two ago at some situating for the future gathering of the enormous players they brought the 810 up as a finding framework before it;s time and the way that is still being used today...




















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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    I don't think about the 810 in indistinguishable class from the locators he recorded, i mes not more than a day or two ago at some situating for the future gathering of the enormous players they brought the 810 up as a finding framework before it;s time and the way that is still being used today...
    The old Metrotech 810 has been around so long it is still refurbished rather than just replaced with it's modern 810 replacement.
    The new 810 was only developed for a cheaper manufacturing process, not as a better machine. The old 810 is still a very viable machine. ViVax machines are made as cheaply as possible and are not durable.

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    [QUOTE=Henry;58344]I don't think about the 810 in indistinguishable class from the locators he recorded, i mes not more than a day or two ago at some situating for the future gathering of the enormous players they brought the 810 up as a finding framework before it;s time and the way that is still being used today...




















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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessionalLocator View Post
    The old Metrotech 810 has been around so long it is still refurbished rather than just replaced with it's modern 810 replacement.
    The new 810 was only developed for a cheaper manufacturing process, not as a better machine. The old 810 is still a very viable machine. ViVax machines are made as cheaply as possible and are not durable.
    That hasnít been my experience over the last 17 years. I have about the same repair rate as the original, but the 810dx that was in between the 2 did break more often. VM-810 is still my go to out of the 5 different locators I carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by headcipher View Post
    That hasn’t been my experience over the last 17 years. I have about the same repair rate as the original, but the 810dx that was in between the 2 did break more often. VM-810 is still my go to out of the 5 different locators I carry.
    Some of the locate contractors around here has went to these new vivax locators . They appear to be way better than those that we started out with about 6 or so years ago. I guess all these new machines coming out now are getting more and more sophisticated.
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    Default Re: Single Frequency Locators

    True, the classic metrotech 810 using analog was the best underground locating device ever made. At least for metallic lines. No noise canceling in the receiver means it responded to literally everything.

    I can say the rd8100 and rd5000 has an automatic needle mode like the classic 810, but it is very slow to respond and actually kind of sucks. The vivax 810 is much better functioning, and lighter too. And better battery life.

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