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    I've seen a few locators with butt sets in their trucks lately, what would be the purpose of carrying one when all we do is locate? (that is all this company does and mine is just locate no repair) I can't get a answer other than there is no need for us to use one. Also other tools such as electricians scissors, splicing knifes, and such. Why would a locator need such tools. I can see the scissors for new construction service drops maybe but not the splicers knife. Maybe its my lack of experience with a butt set and locating, I was just wondering the uses.

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    You did not say what utility (electric, phone, catv) this splice kit (butt set) was for.

    If a locator is called to a job and finds a service for say phone or streetlight cut on one of their miss-marks then they can quietly fix the cut and they do not get a record of a damage.
    They can also repair a damage by an excavator's error and in-debt that contractor to them. Not sanctioned by their employer but sometimes done.

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    I carry a butt set to check cut drops to see if they have dial tone so I may be able to save to telco a trip also if I find tone I will scotch lock it temp til the can arrive to repair it

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    As orangeboots said to check cut drops.. There is a lot of abandoned stuff in the ground..

    A splicers kit (knife & scissors) can be found at your local Lowes or Home Depot. The knife comes in handy for skinning tracer wires and copper services that dont have enough sheath exposed for a connection and the scissors are great for getting rid of dead pairs on abandoned drops in a congested ped which is really a no no because as you stated we are not telephone technicians..

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    A butt set is a priceless tool to have in the field. You can use one to tone out pairs in drops that you suspect may be damaged, if you are trying to locate a drop that isn't labeled and doesn't locate all that well too. Take your butt set, put it in the monitor position, and connect it to the suspect pair, now take your locating transmitter and connect to the suspect pair on the other end and turn it on. The 24 volts dc generated by your transmitter will make the butt set ring on the other end.

    It also comes in handy for getting into a phone ped, finding a pair with active dial tone and using it to call your supervisor when your truck is broke down and you are in an area where your cell phone doesn't work. I've had to do that a few times over the years.

    I have all sorts of telco, catv and electricians tools in my truck. You never know when you might need them for something. I encounter "hot drops" alot in my area. This is where the neutral/ground for the power service on the house goes bad, and the entire house is pulling its neutral/ground through the sheath in the phone drop or catv drop. The linemans pliers I have are rated for 10,000 volts and come in handy for holding those hot drops away from the grounding tabs in the pedestal so i can tape them off and mark them for the phone techs.

    I also carry a decent brand name digital and analog voltmeter in my truck as well. This can also be used to check cut phone cables and tv drops. Telephone normally carries around 48 volts DC, and around 90-100 when it rings, except for special circuits. Voltage on TV lines varies from place to place....

    It takes all sorts of tools to do what we do, and whatever we can get our hands on, we will usually take and put it in the truck. Most of the tools I carry, other than the RD are tools I got on my own.. You will be surprised at the tv and telco tools you can find if you look around on drop tickets. I once lost a can wrench on a tv drop job, went back and couldn't find it, knowing I left it there. My next ticket was a phone drop ticket, and lo and behold the phone tech left a can wrench there.

    I even find tools the phone techs leave behind. Last week I found two cordless drills and a tone generator two phone techs left on a job. I called them up and returned them....
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    To see what a "butt set" contained I googled it, but all I got for search results was porn.

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    Talking about finding tools left behind at job sites by techs, I am the owner of a Dynatel complete with A-frame.

    Rolled up to a job at about 7AM and there she was, sitting next to a ped in a new development. I just knew it belonged to one of the telco locators (in house locating) called up the staking manager, who was the one-call contact for the job, told him I found one of their locators that had been laying out all night (got rained on). He asked me to hold on to it until he found who it belonged to, so I did.

    Next day I called back, he said nobody forgot their equipment. "What??" I asked. "Dude, the a-frame was poked into the ground right next to it."

    "Nope, not ours, check with the power coop." He said.

    Called my buddy who is a lineman in my area. Asked him. "Nope. We haven't used a model that old in ten years. It's got to be the Phone coop's."

    Called the staking manager again. Relayed my story to him from the Electric coop. Finally, frustrated, he says, "It's none of our guys. We have the phone and catv there and you locate the power. If nobody claims it, finders-keepers, but it's definately not ours."

    I couldn't believe my luck.

    Some month's later, the phone guy and me were at a different job-site and he looks in the back of my truck and sees an a-frame and Dynatel. He laughed and told be about how the staking manager was raising hell about a lost Dynatel. Nobody spoke up, but he said one of the older line crew guys forgot it but didn't say anything. I said "Here, take it. I don't want to get accused." He laughed again and said, "Naw, he's got a collection of them in his garage he's been saving since he started working here. He don't care, trust me."

    Guess we all hold onto old gear and tools. Never know when you might need it again.

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