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    anybody heard about a walk out in OK?

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    i haven't heard of anything, i know that would suck really bad if there was one...
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    Default Re: USIC walkout?

    i heard they are slammed in OK too, that would really suck

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    Default Re: USIC walkout?

    What is the reason for the walk out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCableVine View Post
    What is the reason for the walk out?
    Being treated like dirt leaps to mind...

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    I could have guessed but I didn't want to make assumptions since I've never worked for them.
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    Are they quitting or just calling in sick? Calling in sick just means you will have more work when you come back! Seems kind of stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Kent View Post
    Anybody heard about a walk out in OK?
    Hey little buddy! I Luv Ya Man! Your very first post on The Cable Vine is a simple question that made middle management types in the Mid-West stop dead in their tracks and ask, "Is there a problem amongst the little people? Can they really do that to us?"

    Equating the middle management types within USIC as the invincible Superman, you became his arch-enemy Lex Luthor and your question was Kryptonite! These jokers (the rat bastards that sneak in the background on the'Vine, never posting, but constantly monitoring), in desperate panic, called their "confidential informants" minutes after your post. OMG - You, Clark Kent, just became my HERO!

    This entire event smells like a ploy by some union organizer. If so, it was brilliant and got the attention of many who never swung a receiver.

    Clark, keep up the good work! If you are the one organizing an event, please, don't call me! Luv Ya Man!

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    Heard on O'Reilly tonight with guest Adam Carolla that California is broke because the unions have their hands in most everything.

    What was once an organization that stood up for the little guy is now a big business soaking the little guy and draining State revenues across the country. A few people are making good money, funded by the majority who can't even afford their homes right now.

    Barack Obama says everyone must pay their fair share. I guess the unions are exempt. They keep wanting more.

    What a shame.
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    Here is an interesting paragraph I found concerning unions. Notice the conclusion.

    (This is from the Centre for research on Globalization)

    A union is only as strong as the active members of the workplace. Enforcement of the contract is necessary and requires engaged and educated workers. Under capitalism a system divided by owners and workers ALL union contracts are by nature temporary truces, subject to attack at a later date. Ideally, your co-workers will be educated on the political nature, history, significance, and strength of unions, as well as the political philosophy that best reflects workers interests socialism.
    I emphasized the last word but they are the ones that wrote it. SOCIALISM is what unions are all about and that is NOT what America is about.

    Read it again. Unions want socialism OVER capitalism.

    Not just shameful... but instead, disgusting.
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    I think we need to be careful about generalizing far too broadly. It all depends on the specific union and their regulations, which vary and can be completely unique. There is a union district close to mine, and they guaranteed the one years $1.10/hr raises. Those guys were hired on around $14 I think. This is a big help for those little guys, considering the new bonus plan and the fact that the locators over there don't even pay dues.

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    I'm not worried about generalizing. If there is an exception to the rule here and there, fine. In general, unions are in it for the unions. Not the little people.

    If you read back through all the posts concerning unions you will notice that none of the union reps defended the unions or tried to correct any of my posts. They leave that to the little guy.

    And remember a basic principle of business. When your overhead goes up you can't hire as many people. So, how many people are out of work because the little guy got a few extra dollars on their paycheck? Even Obama said it. He kept saying that lowering insurance costs to the employer (one reason for obamacare) would allow them to take that money and hire more workers.
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    Obama saying something about the economy or money in general does not make it correct. He has made a lot of mistakes and wants to continue making them. He is trying to turn this country into a socialism.

    These locators are still only making ~$15/hr, and they are not putting anyone out of a job by doing so. In my non-union district, we have guys who have been here for years getting paid close to $20. Are they robbing jobs from American people too? In the grand scheme of things, raises are factored into business expenses and really don't account for that much overhead. The union guarantees the raise for the workers.

    If I understand your sentiment from the last post...
    people are out of work because the little guy got a few extra dollars on their paycheck
    Then a world without raises would lead to everyone having a job? Doesn't that sound a little like socialism?

    I can understand how unions are in it for themselves, and are leeching money that would otherwise go to OTHER american workers... but there is no reason to get angry about it. The entire one call system is a leech, and is doing precisely that, taking money that would otherwise go to someone else in America. Let the few guys that are still guaranteed human treatment get it, and don't make them feel dirty for belonging to a union that they had no choice in.

    Talk to some actual utility company employees and ask what they think about contract locators. I get some rough responses around my neck of the woods.

    The only point I'm trying to make is that Unions really are not the only source contributing to the downfall of our industry. Greedy investors, Upper management, and tightwad utility companies trying to save a buck are contributing far more than the handful union districts still holding on in USIC.
    Last edited by Enjoythefall; March 17th, 2012 at 03:35 PM.

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    Enjoy, it seem to me that you and Steve are arguing about the same thing. It just seems that you two are emphasizing two different aspects.

    I'm pretty sure that Steve isn't trying to end all raises. I do believe he is emphasizing raises for merit an not just longevity. Which leads us to the other point. The perpetual "catch 22" the locate industry is in. In order to deserve and earn raises we ( as a collective, not just an individual) has to put forth our best effort to show why locators need to be paid better. Unfortunately, we are not paid as much as we deserve so most of the senior staff will go elsewhere which keeps the production and claims of shoddy locates a constant in the industry. The Union mentality of Protection of all workers no matter what performance level they are at, and rewarding them for just "hanging" in there long enough to get the next contracted raise would not do anything but keep the consensus of the public locators as "Shitty" at best.

    I appologize if this offends, know that I do consent to the fact that all locators are not crappy and there are good ones out there. But please remember the locators who paint telephone lines going into a TV ped, or the one that locates the 3 phase primary in a straight line when it goes out 30' then does a slow 90 to the transformer.

    Just sayin

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    It is called social capitlaism here in Europe. Not socialism. That means, people pay in to the system according to their ability-meaning, how much they earn. High taxes for high earners. Low to no taxes for low earners. Now before anyone starts thinking that this is a basic flaw in social capitalistic thinking, ie., that people will rather, than better themselves to get out of povetry, or settling for a lower wage, (because the 'welfare state' will provide for them no matter what), I ask you this, if you really believe in the capitalistic system, don't you also believe that people also what to do whatever they can to make a better life for themselves and their families?
    Unions are powerful in Europe, and their influence lifts all boats.
    Instead of trashing unions in the USA, people should be working for a system that supports social capitalism.
    But I know, itwill be a hard upward stuggle. I get to the US a couple times a year, stay in contact with my family and friends, read various news sorces about whats happening. Many Americans have no clue.

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