Usic etctrueup

**lewizard** · June 3rd, 2011, 11:04 PM

Scenerio...
I couldn't clock in at 8am because my laptop crashed...went to the office arrived around 830am by the time I got to my first locate it was 930am. I back up my time at first locate to 830am (when I arrived at office) and work until 1700 with a 30min lunch this is 8 hours... I think everything is fine but...when I go to approve my time I see that I am missing 1 hour because of ETCTRUEUP. If I didn't get a hold of my supervisor and have it fixed then I would have just lost that hour. ETCTRUEUP takes a little time off my timecard everyday, I know what it is for and why it is in place (or at least what I was told) but a couple minutes here and there are a little different then an hour.

Anyone else having this problem?

**ProfessionalLocator** · June 3rd, 2011, 11:11 PM

And ETCTRUEUP is exactly what?

**lewizard** · June 3rd, 2011, 11:28 PM

This is what I was told

The ETCTRUEUP is simply matching up your production time
This measure is in place so you and the supervisors don’t have to manually reconcile the production time with clock time.

What I have seen it takes the time away between your clock in time and the time you actually start your timer on your first ticket as well as the time between your last ticket you bill out and when you actually clock out. As I mentioned in my last post it took the hour away from me because I had to back up my time on my first ticket I did because I wasn't able to clock in at 830am.

**sprayandpray** · June 4th, 2011, 06:44 AM

Actually, I have checked the ETC(electronic time card) and it always pays me from clock in to clock out, not from when I start my 1st ticket to when I end my last. If the gaps are longer than 5-10 minutes, then your Supervisor will be notified and will have to have to take some action. Mine has always called me.

**Paint'n & Flag'n** · June 4th, 2011, 08:12 AM

Nope never happened to me and I check my ETC quite often.

Maybe it happened cause you turned the clock back trying to trick the system. Why would you do something like that anyway? If you arrived at the office and clocked in then whatever time it took to get to your first locate should be considered drive time. You shouldnt have to mess with your clock.

**lewizard** · June 4th, 2011, 12:47 PM

No I wasn't trying to trick the system....after you bill out your first ticket it asks if locate time is correct you click no and you can change your start time. That is what I did...I wasn't trying to "trick the system" as you put it.

**Paint'n & Flag'n** · June 4th, 2011, 04:00 PM

my bad...didnt realize you were talking about changing your time in MD. The way it read sounded like you changed the clock on your laptop.

Ive only worried about the initial start time and not the end time. Meaning I only change the drive time that it shows when starting the timer for a ticket. I could care less about how long it took to complete the ticket or the time I started it.

**6feetunder** · June 7th, 2011, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by lewizard

This is what I was told

The ETCTRUEUP is simply matching up your production time
This measure is in place so you and the supervisors don’t have to manually reconcile the production time with clock time.

What I have seen it takes the time away between your clock in time and the time you actually start your timer on your first ticket as well as the time between your last ticket you bill out and when you actually clock out. As I mentioned in my last post it took the hour away from me because I had to back up my time on my first ticket I did because I wasn't able to clock in at 830am.

The problem you had was that the time you edited was production time not clock time so when etc trued up it changed your production time to match your clock time therefore reducing your hours. because you weren't clocked in at 8:30. The correct way to handle this is clock in at 9:30 but have your sup edit the time to the time to 8:30 when you were at the office. You get paid by clock time not production time and as a locator you can only edit production time which in this case doesn't help you. Bottom line is you should check your etc everyday to ensure your time is correct and that you're getting paid properly, this should be the case for any hourly employee in any industry. Don't ever assume the sh t is right.

**orangeboots** · June 8th, 2011, 08:23 PM

I guess i am confused when do you start to get paid? when you upload your route when you leave home when you get to your first ticket???

**lewizard** · June 8th, 2011, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by orangeboots

I guess i am confused when do you start to get paid? when you upload your route when you leave home when you get to your first ticket???

You get paid when you start your timer on your first ticket....NOT when you clock in on the time clock (first screen) in MD. You get paid until you clock off your last ticket. You do not get paid for the time you are waiting on your Beginning of day or end of day to finish. This is what ETCTRUEUP takes care of.

**Paint'n & Flag'n** · June 9th, 2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by lewizard

You get paid when you start your timer on your first ticket....NOT when you clock in on the time clock (first screen) in MD. You get paid until you clock off your last ticket. You do not get paid for the time you are waiting on your Beginning of day or end of day to finish. This is what ETCTRUEUP takes care of.

Not sure that statement is correct. There are times that I wont get to my first ticket an hour after I clock in for the day. Reasons being could be maintenance or a meeting. Which ever the case I've always gotten paid from the clock in time and not the production time. Also dont think that they could get away from not paying you by the clock in time as that is your actual time of starting your day not when you start your first ticket. They just want you to clock in at your first ticket so that there isnt much of a time difference between the two.

**big boots mcghee** · June 9th, 2011, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by lewizard

You get paid when you start your timer on your first ticket....NOT when you clock in on the time clock (first screen) in MD. You get paid until you clock off your last ticket. You do not get paid for the time you are waiting on your Beginning of day or end of day to finish. This is what ETCTRUEUP takes care of.

Wrong, wrong, WRONG! You get paid from the time you clock in until the time you clock out, and you absolutely get paid for the time you wait for MD to cycle through a Beginning of Day or an End of Day. If you are not getting paid for this time you are being screwed out of time and money that are rightfully yours. I believe there was a lawsuit some years back where SM&P was sued for not paying their people for doing BOD's and EOD's, which is a big part of why you now clock in prior to doing a BOD and clock out once your EOD has completed. Hell, there are days when it takes ten minutes for my EOD to cycle through. I'll be damned if I'm not gonna ge paid for that time.

**nopaint4you** · June 9th, 2011, 10:28 PM

"Anything" you do work related you get paid for. Thats why they had to pay out when they LOST in court. If i clock in at my first stop and then have to wait 5 minutes for their system to BOD b4 starting the timer is it my 5 minutes for me or is it for them?

**lewizard** · June 9th, 2011, 10:28 PM

Better start checking your timecard for the famous ETCTRUEUP at the top of your day...because I guarantee it says -20 min (or whatever the difference is).
I have looked this over 100 times and I have had other people on the crew look at it, and we all come to the same agreement....we are not getting paid UNTIL we clock in on our first ticket.

**sprayandpray** · June 10th, 2011, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by lewizard

Better start checking your timecard for the famous ETCTRUEUP at the top of your day...because I guarantee it says -20 min (or whatever the difference is).
I have looked this over 100 times and I have had other people on the crew look at it, and we all come to the same agreement....we are not getting paid UNTIL we clock in on our first ticket.

Again - you're paid from the time you clock in until you clock out. BOD and EOD are supposed to be within 5 minutes of the clock in and out time. You also do not get paid for your lunch time either. Any changes to this are being done by your Supervisor and he/she is supposed to be notifying you of these changes.

When you clock out at the end of the day, close to the top of the page, it will show how many hours and minutes you were clocked in.