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    For you USIC locators in Illinois please call

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    USIC does not care what you guys try to do. In they eyes you have lost. You are shit to them. Its all about the customer and stockholders. They dont care about you or your families!!! I promise you. You will never matter to USIC.

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    Yes, You are right USIC dose not care about their employee's. USIC merge with C.U.S and now USIC is the biggest locate company in the US. That's all the reason for the locators to go and sign up at local 21. For what the Locators do and protech their customers infrastructure to make sure they mark the utilitys right or some one can get hurt. For a pay of $13.00 hr is sick!!!! Mike S stated to the locators " Employees you will do more for less" What a company.

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    I have read this and other threads and see the situation those that USIC have created.

    Their locators are in the position that they feel, probably correctly, that they have nothing to lose. So if they go union and it pulls
    USIC down they feel that they are taking down the bosses with them and they really lost only what they were going to lose anyway. Just that if the company collapses they get unemployment and the system offers retraining for those who are out of work by plant closings. The competitor who picks up the contract will need some of these USIC locator so some will get jobs right away.

    The companies that pick up the contracts, if they are smart will not treat their techs like USIC did. They will have seen that mistreated techs are willing to go kamikaze if backed against a wall.

    There is nothing more dangerous than the expendable man who know he is expendable. The worker who knows they have nothing left to lose is comparable to the expendable man.

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    ProfessionalLocator,


    couldnt have said it better myself!!!

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    You have nothing to lose. Call first thing Monday morning. We need 51% of one district to get things moving forward. This will be a long road to travel but at least you will feel you did not sit around and did nothing!!!
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    For you USIC locators in Illinois please call

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    Pro I couldn't have said it any better this is a very dangerous situation when nobody knows if they will have a job tomorrow. People start losing hope and get careless or lose focus on the job at hand. There are 7 bids out in my area and nobody will say a word about who got them. Maybe the worst attitude on my crew I have seem in 18 years.

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    Never forget, you as a locator control USIC....meaning you control how much the company makes by your production each day. The more they screw me, the less I do. Personally I hope USIC goes under. If that means I go down with the ship.....GREAT!

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    locatingart,

    tried to pm you but couldnt. do you think that this guy will have any info for people to contact in other states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4x4jw87 View Post
    locatingart,

    tried to pm you but couldnt. do you think that this guy will have any info for people to contact in other states?
    Dave is a real good friend of mine. He will treat with respect and tell you everything you need to know Pros & Cons

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    Quote Originally Posted by 390 View Post
    That's the way it too often happens with things. Something eventually happens after all the warning signs were there. Someone getting killed because of the f'd up way that locates are dealt with these days. The worst words are, 'it's too late.'
    I think the locate industry problem is a metaphor/example for the problem in the USA in general. Too little regulation. Yes I said the R word.
    And, to go a little further and maybe tick off some of you fine folks, and families, who have given so much of yourselves through your military service, which I respect,
    I will say that the USA needs a good dose of socialist capitalism. That means for example, a (real) progressive income tax. Also health care that is run like the 'socialist' countries in Europe. What a concept, to be a human being, and live in a country that is supposedly the leader of the free world, and be able to access decent health care. And then throw in some real representative government-proportional representation, like here in Germany and France, and England...This would mean that the mighty Constitution would have to be ammended, but it's been done many times before, and the Founding Fathers might well approve given what's going down these days. Then, get some real gun reform. Pretty nice living here where almost no one has a gun. Oh, and by the way, I don't expect any time soon for any of these governments that have these hard anti gun laws, to be taking over and becoming dictators over their citizens. In fact, people like knowing there aren't guns all over the place. (Yea, I know, they kill each other with knives here. But come on, you can't take out a bunch with a kitchen knife.)
    When I was an activist, I sometimes heard, 'well if you don't like it here, why don't you just move somewhere else?' Well, I did, And I have to say it ain't so bad. And if I didn't give a crap about the USA, (and my kids living there), I wouldn't be tuning in to this discussion, or care about the folks I used to know, and the ones still in the field. But I do, and I think it is about time that the average Joe starts rattling some cages.
    Seems to me that the world is a pretty tense place these days. The USA could still pull it out and be one of the strong world leaders that the world community has come to know and respect. But looking at the situation from this side of the pond, ya'll ain't gonna do it by ignoring climate change, allowing the divide between rich and poor to continue, and putting up with stupid talking political candidates. The time will come when it comes to a head, it's just a question of when.
    If you think your job is great, super. If you are tired of the crap, do something. I don't know if that means union, but organize somehow. If you do, they-management-may listen. If you don't it may be to late.
    WTF... Are you actually promoting socialism? Haven't we learned that every time it is tried socialism doesn't work? We are the greatest country in the world because of capitalism. It's when you bring socialism into it that things start going screwy. Just look at what Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did; Everybody has a right to a house they told us. Long story short. Bank failures, high unemployment, lost homes, bad economy... all thanks to progressives. look at what is going on in Europe. Greece especially. Italy is teetering... who is to follow? France and Spain next, I believe. All thanks to Socialism/Progressivism. Making the rich pay for everyone else. Too many entitlement programs.

    It is this kind of Progressive thinking that is ruining the entire world.

    Why is it called progressive when in fact it is an archaic system that doesn't work? It is truly regressive. Progress means gaining positive results. Socialism/Progressivism doesn't do that. It hurts society. It brings everyone down as a whole. I guess they say to make everyone even, or on the same level. What a crock.

    Climate Change? I don't know if you've heard, but much of the data you rely on has been FAKED. Man doesn't cause climate change. There's this little thing called the natural world that has been cooling and warming for millions of years. Ice ages have happened. They find fossilized trees in areas where it is impossible for trees to grow. Did SUV's cause that to happen? weren't we afraid of the impending ice age 40 some years ago? What happened to that?

    We have the Wallstreet Protesters who as a whole really have no idea why they are there. Apparently some "fat cats" as they are called made a few million extra. A crime they say. But Obama and Holder in the justice department haven't arrested anybody. Nobody is investigating any crime simply because no crimes were committed. In the mean time Obama threw away 535 Million dollars on a company called Solyndra all in the name of renewable energy. Why do we need renewable energy? To combat climate change... or the socialist agenda as it is also known. So which is worse? Obama or the "fat cats"? Yeah, Obama. 535 Million dollars is just the start we are finding out.

    Why are the protesters on Wallstreet when they should be on Pennsylvania Avenue? Hmmm good question. They are on Wallstreet because they really don't care about a few million dollars in bonuses. They really want to take down capitalism and replace it with socialsim. (see archaic reference above). If they REALLY REALLY cared about the bonuses the bankers got, they would be on Pennsylvania Avenue demanding that Obama force Eric Holder of the Justice Department do something about it.

    Socialism is a lie.
    "Change does not always equal progress."

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    A union presence is not going to change the employer, but a threat of regulation will. Start forwarding every utility damage story to your state representatives and congressmen, with a demand that something be done to stop this from occurring nationwide. Any damage that includes a major outage or an injury should be sent multiple times, get everyone you know involved and flood this until it becomes an issue at both state and federal levels, add in the question of why there is not a federal standard on dig laws that would apply nation wide.

    The one thing corporate America fears the most is government attention, just ask the insurance industry that pays millions to lobbyists, and an industry that involves public safety can attract this if they do it right.

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    WTF... Are you actually promoting socialism? Haven't we learned that every time it is tried socialism doesn't work? We are the greatest country in the world because of capitalism. It's when you bring socialism into it that things start going screwy. Just look at what Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did; Everybody has a right to a house they told us. Long story short. Bank failures, high unemployment, lost homes, bad economy... all thanks to progressives. look at what is going on in Europe. Greece especially. Italy is teetering... who is to follow? France and Spain next, I believe. All thanks to Socialism/Progressivism. Making the rich pay for everyone else. Too many entitlement programs.

    It is this kind of Progressive thinking that is ruining the entire world.

    Why is it called progressive when in fact it is an archaic system that doesn't work? It is truly regressive. Progress means gaining positive results. Socialism/Progressivism doesn't do that. It hurts society. It brings everyone down as a whole. I guess they say to make everyone even, or on the same level. What a crock.

    Climate Change? I don't know if you've heard, but much of the data you rely on has been FAKED. Man doesn't cause climate change. There's this little thing called the natural world that has been cooling and warming for millions of years. Ice ages have happened. They find fossilized trees in areas where it is impossible for trees to grow. Did SUV's cause that to happen? weren't we afraid of the impending ice age 40 some years ago? What happened to that?

    We have the Wallstreet Protesters who as a whole really have no idea why they are there. Apparently some "fat cats" as they are called made a few million extra. A crime they say. But Obama and Holder in the justice department haven't arrested anybody. Nobody is investigating any crime simply because no crimes were committed. In the mean time Obama threw away 535 Million dollars on a company called Solyndra all in the name of renewable energy. Why do we need renewable energy? To combat climate change... or the socialist agenda as it is also known. So which is worse? Obama or the "fat cats"? Yeah, Obama. 535 Million dollars is just the start we are finding out.

    Why are the protesters on Wallstreet when they should be on Pennsylvania Avenue? Hmmm good question. They are on Wallstreet because they really don't care about a few million dollars in bonuses. They really want to take down capitalism and replace it with socialsim. (see archaic reference above). If they REALLY REALLY cared about the bonuses the bankers got, they would be on Pennsylvania Avenue demanding that Obama force Eric Holder of the Justice Department do something about it.

    Socialism is a lie.
    Yes, I am actually promoting something called social capitalism, as my wife just corrected me. And this form of capitalism works. Because people in these social capitalistic countries like Germany, France, Holland, etc. etc., have a different way of looking at the world, how competition and business should work, how employees have a right to be treated, that the poor and even not so poor should have access to good health care, that people have a right to be rich, and can be rich, but they pay their fair share in taxes. And the rich aren't paying for entitlement programs so people can sit around collecting welfare. This entitlement arguement has always struck me as being rather silly, unless you belive that most people are lazy, and would rather have something given to them than to earn it themselves. I have a much higher opinion and regard for the integrity and ambition of most folks on the planet. Also, that it is a good thing to feel safe and secure in your home and on the streets. A collective mindset opposite of the dog eat dog, everything I can get for myself and let the others fend for themselves mentality that many Americans have. (Archaic thinking from a time when there was great opportunity for the masses.) It is interesting to observe here a sort of ease and peace of mind that pevades the society, something I think that comes from this sense of security, and I'm not talking mainly military security or no fear of terrorist incidents. How about having an elected government, (5 (maximum) different political parties here in Germany's coalition government), where you vote for the Party you agree with most, and then your vote actually has a say because your vote directly strengthens your Party's presence in this government coalition.

    Climate change is a reality. Greenhouse gases are changing the climates of the world much more quickly, (and negatively), than the natural world would. This is one glaring example of how America is losing it's 'greatest nation in the world' perception. Obama came in promisng real positive movement toward getting on track to reduce America's contribution of greenhouse gases. These days he's not even talking about it. Meanwhile, the rest of the industialized world is and has been, taking real steps to reduce their carbon footprint. Perhaps Mr. Obama still is passionate about turning America around in this regard, but here is another example of a major flaw in the two party system. When it becomes politically unpopular, the issue goes by the wayside. (The president has way too much power, for good or bad.) Then you have the big money interests working to confuse and misinform, as is the case with climate change. Sorry, on this point America is in the forefront, but not in a positive way. Even China has a plan in place for the coming years to do their part. And let's say, even if climate change isn't true, why the hell doesn't America get on board and get a real plan in place to get off the fossil fuel kick? (Answer: Big Money.) This would at least show the rest of the world that the US is serious about being a team player. Instead the US is perpetuating the cowboy mentality perception that many in the world have. I am telling you that America is losing some of its respect-capital.

    Notice I haven't used the word Progressive. I am talking about a widely practiced way of doing business, providing security for the citizenry, and being a responsible world partner. Social Capitalism. Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain, yes, problematic. The 27 or so European Union members aren't all as sensible as France, Germany, Norway, etc. Some of them were let into the 'club' some would say, a bit too hastily. These southern European countries have operated a little differently than those in the north, for example, floating along a huge 'welfare workforce' when they should have been streamlining their economies and labor, (that were conditions put to them in order to enter the EU), to get in step with the rest of the EU. Yes, the EU made a couple poor decisions back then, but things are working their way out. Keep in mind too that the banking system of the world today is truly global, and American banks have also invested in these 'socialist' countries that are having problems.

    I am an American citizen, and always will, proudly, be. It is interesting how what's going on with the Locate industry, and what's going on in American society, government, and economy have similarities.
    In my opinion, America needs to take a long deep collective breath, take a long slow look at what's going on, and set off in a more sensible direction.
    Thinking in Rush Limbaugh soundbites, and having a mindset that says, 'we are the greatest, and everyone better like it or lump it' just doesn't cut it anymore. Look at what American has for resources, both human capital and material. It would be a shame to not put this to better use and effect.

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    North Carolina is the only union state in USIC at this time and thats possibly on the outs

    PA is a union state, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 390 View Post

    *Yes, I am actually promoting something called social capitalism

    *(Archaic thinking from a time when there was great opportunity for the masses.)

    *Climate change is a reality.


    *Thinking in Rush Limbaugh soundbites, and having a mindset that says, 'we are the greatest, and everyone better like it or lump it' just doesn't cut it anymore.


    What this has to do with utility locating, I'm not sure. But unless you're a climatologist, I suspect you're speaking in soundbites yourself (who's sound bites those are, I'm curious). If you ARE a climatologist then you should discuss the result driven techniques used by your colleagues. They've been caught too many times skewing results and exaggerating facts in order to advance their own political agendas. You've made some really good points, federal utility regulation may be needed in some areas but you'll loose ground trying to attach biased side-issues to your message. France, Norway, all of Europe, and the world in general would be a far worse place if not for the efforts and ingenuity of Americans in the last century. Germany especially! The motherland of the national socialist. Unbridled socialism is just as scary as unbridled capitalism if not more so.
    Oh, and please don't refer to me as "the masses". It's belittling. Americans generally don't like being thought of as cattle.

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