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    Default Texas rr commision to screw locators

    Yup Just like the title says The TRC has decided that gas now only has a 12 tolerance on it. For those who work on ATMOS gas You know what that means.
    Talked to a few guys from ATMOS today and they all said the same thing ..doesn't matter where the tracer wire is if it is 12 inches away from the pipe its OUR problem Not theirs...

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    For a while CoServ gas was putting tracer wires 12 inches above and 12 inches off to the side of the actual pipe because they were afraid of lightning strikes arching to the gas line off the tracer. We had to explain that didn't help use locate the actual pipe, then they stopped doing that. But those tracers already underground are still out there somewhere, so that's gonna mess up some people.

    I've never had Atmos (or CoServ) damage be a locaters fault if the tracer wire was off though

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    With a 12" tolerance on gas pipes the problem is that the tracer wire for plastic gas pies is not attached to the pipe, only laid in the trench. These trenches are often more than 12" wide. I was told not a problem becasue the buckets on backhoes are never more than 16" wide and I found 24" and large buckets common.

    Here is what you do.

    As a professional company your word is very powerful in court. You write up a report detailing why the 12" clearance is a danger to the excavators and public. You formally submit the report to the regulating authority. If the regulating authority does not take action to correct the marking tolerances give the report to the news media and let them write about the unsafe gas marking requirements.
    Also once you submit that report the liability for injures, deaths and property damage falls on the regulation authority.

    A classic example of responsibility for something like this is a condominium association case. A condo association had a police officer do a security survey of their condos. Among the recommendations was one to improve lighting, that there were too many dark shadows where an assailant could hide. The condo board decided they did not want to spend money on lighting and did not follow the recommendation. A woman was returning home one night and a rapist hiding in the shadows assaulted her. She sued the condo becasue they knew of the danger and did not act to remove it. She won not becasue someone just said there should be more lighting. She won becasue a professional said, in writing, lighting needed to be improved.


    Once a locate firm submits a report detailing an unsafe marking requirement a tort attorney can successfully sue the regulating authority that failed to correct the problem. So when an injury, death or property damage occurs and the locate firm gets sued they just present as evidence the report they, or another firm, submitted and they are free of responsibility.

    Also in that condo case. By law the members of the Board of Directors of the condo cannot be sued individually becasue of the decisions they made. But since they failed in their responsibility to the community becasue they knowingly allowed a safety issue to go uncorrected the members that voted not to correct the situation got successfully sued.

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    Default Re: Texas rr commision to screw locators

    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessionalLocator View Post
    With a 12" tolerance on gas pipes the problem is that the tracer wire for plastic gas pies is not attached to the pipe, only laid in the trench. These trenches are often more than 12" wide. I was told not a problem becasue the buckets on backhoes are never more than 16" wide and I found 24" and large buckets common.

    Here is what you do.

    As a professional company your word is very powerful in court. You write up a report detailing why the 12" clearance is a danger to the excavators and public. You formally submit the report to the regulating authority. If the regulating authority does not take action to correct the marking tolerances give the report to the news media and let them write about the unsafe gas marking requirements.
    Also once you submit that report the liability for injures, deaths and property damage falls on the regulation authority.

    A classic example of responsibility for something like this is a condominium association case. A condo association had a police officer do a security survey of their condos. Among the recommendations was one to improve lighting, that there were too many dark shadows where an assailant could hide. The condo board decided they did not want to spend money on lighting and did not follow the recommendation. A woman was returning home one night and a rapist hiding in the shadows assaulted her. She sued the condo becasue they knew of the danger and did not act to remove it. She won not becasue someone just said there should be more lighting. She won becasue a professional said, in writing, lighting needed to be improved.


    Once a locate firm submits a report detailing an unsafe marking requirement a tort attorney can successfully sue the regulating authority that failed to correct the problem. So when an injury, death or property damage occurs and the locate firm gets sued they just present as evidence the report they, or another firm, submitted and they are free of responsibility.

    Also in that condo case. By law the members of the Board of Directors of the condo cannot be sued individually becasue of the decisions they made. But since they failed in their responsibility to the community becasue they knowingly allowed a safety issue to go uncorrected the members that voted not to correct the situation got successfully sued.
    Sorry to hear you guys are dealing with non-professionals down there. Pro is absolutely correct here, IMO. Set a precedent. Get some other locators at other companies to submit testimonials as well. I have worked it the southwest ( including parts of Texas), and your gas down there is no better ( and probably worse ) than other areas of the country for locating accurately. Stay strong, and God Bless!

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    I only locate Fiber but I stand with you all.

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    Default Re: Texas rr commision to screw locators

    You could possibly change your method of marking gas lines in RR ROW's. Instead of a single mark you could change it to a 12" wide 'H' mark. Or, if the gas line is a 24" line for example, put down a 24" wide 'H' mark and label it as a 24" gas line.
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    Default Re: Texas rr commision to screw locators

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCableVine View Post
    You could possibly change your method of marking gas lines in RR ROW's. Instead of a single mark you could change it to a 12" wide 'H' mark. Or, if the gas line is a 24" line for example, put down a 24" wide 'H' mark and label it as a 24" gas line.
    the Railroad Commission governs all locating rules in Texas, so it's not just a specific railroad type thing. The full rule is that the tolerance is now 12" + 1/2 the diameter of the pipe.

    I know Atmos does ask for 'H' marks as wide as the pipe as part of their policy already. CenterPoint (and CoServe too I believe) only ask for one mark no matter the pipe size.

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