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    Has anyone been involved with Google Fiber in Kansas City or anywhere else. Were they trying to put everything in at once and burying everyone in work or did they have any structure to the plans like a area at the time. Any thoughts cause we are facing them now.

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    PM Wing on this .
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    10 roger 4 on that

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    Default Re: Google Fiber

    i heard that google fiber is coming to either IL or WI. has any one herd anything about this?

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    Has anyone been involved with Google Fiber in Kansas City? Were they trying to put everything in at once and burying everyone in work or did they have any structure to the plans like a area at the time. Any thoughts cause we are facing them now.

    Greetings retired! The internet flows world wide at a rate of 1,000 megs.

    All American telephone companies and CATV companies slow their internet routers down at each central office to deliver their basic service @ 12 megs for $30/month, and for $60/month boost it up to 20 megs........................ These Carpetbaggers are making billions per year with their internet offerings and delivering a product that runs one hundredth the speed of full potential. Google came into town offering 100 megs "free" with conditions and full capacity (1,000 megs) to anyone willing to pony up the cash. All telephone companies and all CATV companies never intended to offer 100 megs on their own, let alone offer full capacity - 1,000 megs - to anybody; businesses or homeowners.

    Google came to Kansas City, Kansas first; a city of 1.5 million including its suburbs. Then Google went to Kansas City, Missouri next; a city of 1.6 million including its suburbs. Google laid down their backbone plant first inside Kansas City, Kansas proper. After their backbone got fired up, Google went into mapped sectors. A sector comprised of a group of square blocks. Households were asked to commit $300 each to offset costs to deliver Google services (internet, telephone, TV) to their sector. If enough neighbors agree to commit $300 each, then the bore crews invade their sector to lay in the fiber lines. As soon as the Google drop is hooked up, the $300 is billed and 100 megs of service is provided at "no charge" as long as you live in that residence. Homeowners can get up to full capacity internet (1,000 megs) for more money.

    Google has a policy if a sector does not generate enough $300 commitments during the initial contact, it will be six months or more before Google returns. As it stands, when a neighborhood is approached by Google, virtually every household jumps on board. It is rare for anyone to stay with AT&T or the CATV companies when Google service is available, which is very concerning to AT&T and the CATV carriers.

    Those who didn't commit to the $300 up front can get 100 megs from Google for $29.95/month. Time Warner CATV is now offering 100 megs internet for new subscribers only @ $29.95/month.

    For decades, Time Warner, Comcast and AT&T has let their Kansas City plant deteriorate. When Google came into town, the pressure was on for the established playas to get their plant functioning properly. Google knew the existing Kansas City communication infrastructure was needing improvements. Consequently, Google never announced the sequences of subdivisions getting Google services; always trying to keep AT&T and the rest guessing where Google is heading.

    USIC has a separate Google crew of locators. I may pm you later on the particulars. People who control Wingfoot's livelihood and destiny know who is Wingfoot. These people read all his Cable Vine posts. Wingfoot's public comments about the USIC training and treatment of Google committed locators would most likely be as welcome as a turd in the punch bowl. Being asked again by the "brass" to clarify a Cable Vine post is bullshit I don't need right now..................... just sayin'.

    Well retired, get ready......... Your CATV provider will be the first to address their run down shit. There will be CATV techs from all over the country converging into your city to run tests on every feeder and trunk in their plant. CATV contractors will be pressured to get the replacement 500s and 750s in the ground ASAP. You will see A-holes calling in single tickets asking for 4 and 5 CATV span replacements. As a kicker, these people will be expecting paint when the tickets are due. You will be on your own locating all the utilities for these jobs. There will be no Google crews helping you catch up on these tickets.

    AT&T is not giving up easy themselves. There is a Kansas side "high-rent district" where AT&T is placing 150,000 feet of fiber backbone. Once this backbone is completed, AT&T will be placing its own fiber plant in the rear easement; where there is now rear easement electricity, two existing CATV plants with the AT&T copper telephone. There is no Google crew to help those poor bastards locate.

    Google to date has replaced over 100,000 power poles in my city, plus anchors (all the poles are owned by Kansas City Power & Light) (KCPL). The poles had to be taller in order for Google to gain adequate clearance to hang their plant above the existing communication lines and keep it a certain distance below the electricity wires. Google never replaced a single AT&T, Comcast or Time Warner owned pole (God knows their poles need replacing more than KCP&L's poles......... just sayin') KCPL charges CATV companies $27/year/pole to have their plant hanging on their poles. KCPL uses 300,000 AT&T owned poles in the city and neither charges the other for pole rent. Google will also hang for free on KCP&L poles.

    Google's plant is front easement. Their plant runs primarily 2 feet off the front curb. Unmarked/mis-marked gas lines, water services and street lights are as good as cut.

    Google crews address their own damages. Any Google damages after 4 pm will be yours to handle. Any Google damages that require mainline replacements will be yours to handle also.

    Hey retired, your city may have welcomed Google with arms wide open, but trust me, you as a locator will curse the day Google reared its ugly head........................ just sayin'.

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    Default Re: Google Fiber

    Thanks Wing.
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    Initial reports are they hire the cheapest contractor they can find. I recall a post here where they put to FO into duct lines of other firms without permission. My take is to over document any markings on a Google FO installation to protect yourself when damages happen. Last month here an ATT duct bank was hit by FO install contractor that bored thru it without test pitting. Was told it was part of Google but did not confirm it.

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    Default Re: Google Fiber

    the WING has spoken !
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    Default Re: Google Fiber

    GOOGLE FIBER is on the way to Atlanta, Ga as well as Asheville, NC.


    Wife & I are in process of relocating to Asheville..HOPING to get in on this aspect of our industry.

    As always...Any positive suggestions toward assiting in finding my next career there are welcomed...THANKS.

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    Greetings fellow CableViners! Wingfoot needs to correct some of his information released earlier.

    All telephone and CATV providers are working on dated plants. Neither can deliver full capacity internet service (1 gig or 1,000 megs). Their original technology can not handle 10% delivery of consistent of internet service (100 megs); a service Google provides for free with conditions.

    CATV companies now feel they can pump 50 megs without too much going wrong, but the 100+ year old telephone plant can barely push 20 megs through their dated copper lines. A fiber plant is the only way to get subscribers full capacity internet service.

    Google is 100% fiber plant. Full capacity internet service (1,000 megs) is available by Google to anyone willing to pony up the cash.

    The $300.00 commitment to Google will result 100 megs of free internet service for 7 years.

    AT&T now has their answer to challenge Google - LightGig or Gigabit. AT&T says that it has potential plans to deploy Gigabit fiber in 21 metropolitan areas. AT&T's concept is to bring a fiber tower to a neighborhood to provide full capacity WiFi service for 12 to 15 subscribers. Google runs fiber drops to their subscribers.

    USIC in Kansas City has Google locating crews as well as AT&T LightGig locating crews. Each locating group has their separate district managers and supervisors. It is a cluster fak. These groups are led by ex-military types with limited to no experience locating. Obedience dominates training. I wouldn't work for either group. I wouldn't have that up my ass if I had room for a saw mill. But I digress.....................

    Google is front easement plant and AT&T LightGig is rear easement plant. Google is buying front utility easement and AT&T already owns rear utility easement. Front easement locating is not as bad as rear easement locating - Duh - Locked gates, fences, puppies, landscaping, curious homeowners, etc.

    Google only replaced 10,000 poles for free to date in a city of 3+ million population. That pole replacement number will be higher before Google is done here in the next 3 years. Google has done more than 150,000 attachments to date. Google still has to pay $27.00 per year rent to KCP&L on each pole attachment. KCP&L is the BIG winner on this Google venture, but Wingfoot would not be surprised to see a rate increase soon on the light bill......... just sayin'.


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    Its tax payer funded to the poor neighborhoods. Job security for the cheapest bidding locator. you wont see it in the upscale suburbs till the subsidized fiber runs out or till the next election
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    In Salt Lake City the rich neighborhoods are getting it first. I have multiple jobs covering the richest areas of town. Nothing going to the poorest neighborhoods yet. Underground work is less than a month old at this time.

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