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    Default California May Be Riddled With Poorly Mapped Underground Fuel Pipelines

    Mistakes over hazardous liquid
    pipe locations pose threat

    By Steve Johnson sjohnson@mercurynews.com

    Posted: 07/26/2011 04:12:57 PM PDT

    Updated: 07/26/2011 10:33:01 PM PDT

    While the deadly San Bruno explosion highlighted
    the potential hazards of PG&E's natural gas lines,
    another enormous system of pipes -- carrying jet
    fuel and other hazardous liquids under Bay Area
    neighborhoods -- poses a danger that could be just
    as catastrophic.

    That's because many people, including emergency
    responders, aren't sure where the private companies
    that own those pipes have buried them.

    When a Walnut Creek construction crew's backhoe
    bit into an underground gasoline main in 2004, the
    fireball that resulted left five people dead and four
    others badly burned. The workers didn't know the
    pipe was there. Seven years later, the same thing
    could happen again, said Luke Ellis, an attorney
    who represented the family of Tae Chin Im, who was
    killed in the blast.

    "There are a lot of lines where people don't know
    they are near their schools or homes or hospitals,"
    Ellis said. "You hit one of these things and you can
    have a catastrophic event."

    Even local government officials don't always know
    the precise whereabouts of hazardous liquid
    pipelines. The California State Fire Marshal's Office
    fielded numerous calls from fire departments
    seeking to learn those locations after the Sept. 9 San
    Bruno natural gas disaster, which killed eight
    people and destroyed 38 homes.

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    "These calls caused some concern" because a 1988
    law requires hazardous liquid pipeline owners

    to give local officials maps of their pipe networks,
    the fire marshal noted in a report in May. It
    discovered many fire departments "had outdated
    maps and old contact lists" or hadn't distributed
    more recent information to all their employees.
    The number of leaks in California involving such
    hazardous liquids as gasoline, jet fuel, crude oil
    and diesel fuel has dropped from nearly 50 in 1994
    to fewer than five annually in recent years,
    according to the Fire Marshal's Office, which
    oversees the lines. State officials say that's largely
    because companies have improved how they inspect
    and maintain their lines.

    Moreover, many people think moving hazardous
    liquid by pipes is safer than by trucks, an argument
    Wickland Pipelines made last year in winning
    approval to install a jet fuel line through North San
    Jose to the airport. Wickland said its pipe would
    eliminate 76 daily trips by trucks on busy city
    streets.

    Nonetheless, many people remain confused about
    the precise location of such lines.

    The U.S. Department of Transportation reported that
    excavation problems from 2005 to 2009 resulted in
    71 "significant" accidents involving hazardous
    liquid pipelines nationwide, meaning they caused
    death or major injury, evacuations or highway
    closures. But critics say that understates the
    problem.

    A federally sponsored study by the industry group
    Common Ground Alliance counted 320 excavation
    complications involving hazardous liquid pipelines
    in 2009 alone, the year for which the most recent
    data is available.

    Accidents involving such pipes are especially
    worrisome because they can be hard to contain.
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    "The liquid has the ability to rupture and flow for a
    long distance before it ignites," said Carl Weimer of
    the Pipeline Safety Trust, which was formed after a
    Bellingham, Wash., gasoline pipe, previously
    damaged by a backhoe, burst in 1999, creating a
    1½-mile-long inferno that killed two 10-year-old
    boys and an 18-year-old man. When such ruptures
    occur, it's "much harder to predict how far the
    danger zone is around them," Weimer said.

    The Nov. 9, 2004, Walnut Creek disaster was among
    the worst ever recorded. While building a water
    main, a construction crew's backhoe hit a gasoline
    line that runs between Concord and San Jose.
    Ignited by nearby welding torches, flaming fuel
    spewed 60 feet into the air.

    Although the contractor and the East Bay Municipal
    Utility District were fined, Houston-based Kinder
    Morgan was mostly blamed for not properly marking
    its fuel pipe's location for the workers. The company
    -- which has pipes throughout the Bay Area as well
    as hazardous liquid storage tanks in San Jose,
    Brisbane and Oakland -- was fined $15 million and
    paid millions of dollars more in legal claims after
    pleading no contest to six labor-code felonies.

    Canadian authorities leveled similar allegations
    against Kinder Morgan in 2009. They accused the
    company of failing to accurately describe the
    location of its crude-oil pipe, which was ruptured
    two years earlier by a contractor digging a storm
    sewer trench in Burnaby, British Columbia. No one
    was hurt, but the oil contaminated shore birds and
    prompted 250 residents to flee their homes. Kinder
    Morgan contends others were responsible and a
    trial on the accident is pending.

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    Kinder Morgan spokeswoman Emily Mir Thompson
    said her company is dedicated to doing business
    safely and described its pipeline operations as
    among the industry's best, adding that the firm
    periodically consults with public officials and
    residents about its pipes.

    Hoping to relieve the confusion it recently
    discovered among fire officials, the state is
    considering setting up a website with pipeline-
    location details, said Bob Gorham, a division chief
    with the fire marshal. But, he said, access will be
    limited to emergency officials.
    For others, Thompson recommends checking the
    federal National Public Mapping System at www.
    npms.phmsa.dot.gov or, if planning a dig, calling
    811, a number created under a government program
    to help prevent utility line damage.

    Though the national mapping system provides a
    general idea of pipe locations, its "target accuracy" i
    s plus or minus 500 feet. And counting on 811,
    which relies on information companies submit
    about the whereabouts of their pipes, isn't
    foolproof. That's because, according to Common
    Ground Alliance President Bob Kipp, "in some cases,
    the mapping provided by the owner-operator is
    incorrect."

    Despite its limitations, 811 remains a vital way to
    prevent hazardous liquid accidents, said Weimer of
    the Pipeline Safety Trust. But pipeline companies
    also need to do a better job updating 811 and
    informing the public about the location of their
    pipes, he said, "instead of just blaming the
    excavators all the time."

    Contact Steve Johnson at 408-920-5043.

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    Default Re: California May Be Riddled With Poorly Mapped Underground Fuel Pipelines

    Soooo the locator is given maps/drawings to put marks where a piece of paper says their pipeline is.. And he is at fault if its wrong?

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    Default Re: California May Be Riddled With Poorly Mapped Underground Fuel Pipelines

    I was up here when that rupture happened in bellingham and killed those two boys. That occurred due to lack of maintenance. I won't give out the company's name, but they are good for a rupture every two to three years. Most of the time they happen in the middle of no where and no one gets hurt. Its not a locating issue. As for the Kinder Morgan guys, at least in my area, they just started doing in house locates. Before than, all they did was toss a locator in the hands of a pipeline technician and told him "Go to this address and paint our line". The first time I met the guy in the field, he had no concept of how to isolate his line from the other utilities running near it. No Lie... I watched him connect his leads to the screw holding the warning sign to the post for the other gas line in the ROW. To his defense, his connection points were below ground and the hand holes were covered with gravel. I helped him out for about 45 minutes and he was much appriciative.

    I just think it comes down to communication and a dedication from the utility owner to protect the infrastructure. I think very rarely does it come down to out right lack of locating skills from the locator. Similar to the rupture down in texas not to long ago. They called in a Pole install and gave GPS coordinates for such, but the locator didn't have a way to search for the coordinates. He located a staked area for the pipeline, but failed to go to the correct staked location due to lack of equipment or training.

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    Default Re: California May Be Riddled With Poorly Mapped Underground Fuel Pipelines

    Quote Originally Posted by GWJ_CAS View Post
    Though the national mapping system provides a
    general idea of pipe locations, its "target accuracy" is
    plus or minus 500 feet. And counting on 811,
    which relies on information companies submit
    about the whereabouts of their pipes, isn't
    foolproof.
    Putting line locations on-line for public viewing SOUNDS like a great idea but I'd hate for just any Muhammed, Dick, or Harry to be able to intentionally pinpoint these high profile lines without anyone being aware of it. Yikes !!! They mean well, I'm sure, but they should consider the unintended consequences of just releasing sensitive information like that to the general public.

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    Default Re: California May Be Riddled With Poorly Mapped Underground Fuel Pipelines

    Quote Originally Posted by daman1 View Post
    Putting line locations on-line for public viewing SOUNDS like a great idea but I'd hate for just any Muhammed, Dick, or Harry to be able to intentionally pinpoint these high profile lines without anyone being aware of it. Yikes !!! They mean well, I'm sure, but they should consider the unintended consequences of just releasing sensitive information like that to the general public.
    Actually Mumammed already has those drawings, it's the home grown nut jobs that it would give access too.

    After the utility companies started converting from drawings and microfilm to digital format for laptops they started looking for cheaper providers for making digital records. Most of this work went to foreign companies, mostly in India. Simple to transmit over phone lines or pass around on CDs. By now almost every utility record in the USA is in the hands of foreign governments and various terrorist groups.

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    Default Re: California May Be Riddled With Poorly Mapped Underground Fuel Pipelines

    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessionalLocator View Post
    Actually Mumammed already has those drawings, it's the home grown nut jobs that it would give access too.

    After the utility companies started converting from drawings and microfilm to digital format for laptops they started looking for cheaper providers for making digital records. Most of this work went to foreign companies, mostly in India. Simple to transmit over phone lines or pass around on CDs. By now almost every utility record in the USA is in the hands of foreign governments and various terrorist groups.
    It's not the drawings that worry me. The're all in my computer too. You still can't accurately pinpoint them without locating equipment. I'm worried about what would happen if anyone with a GPS could suddenly pinpoint them.

 

 

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