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    wise men talk because they have something to say and fools because they have to say something....plato

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    JayC is the reason why I've posted before about excavator's responsibilities... it's all theirs, when they inform 811 that THEY are excavating anywhere. Most good locators would make an effort to knock or call residents when needing access to property or need their animals put away. But if I call an excavator to meet me onsite so that I can access their property and do my job to protect facilities before he can do his job that he bid on and he gives me ANY kind of attitude like that displayed by JayC, that would be the last time he got a call from me on any of his tickets.

    When are you going to learn that you as the excavator are the initiators of any project that requires notifying utilities. Notice I said "notifying', not requesting locates. I hate that term "requesting" locates, it does not fit with how 811 is used. YOU as a contractor are "notifying" us that digging will be taking place, your whole business is digging to make money. You should know 811 10 times better than we know it, unfortunately, it is the other way around.

    Glad I'm not still in Illinois and would have to put with that type of contractor anymore.
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    All I've heard in this thread is, "Whaa whaa whaaa I'm a little bitch who is too lazy to hop a fence or talk to a homeowner."

    Grow up and grow a pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayc View Post
    All I've heard in this thread is, "Whaa whaa whaaa I'm a little bitch who is too lazy to hop a fence or talk to a homeowner."

    Grow up and grow a pair.
    What I hear, is a "contractor" who is ignorant of the system and unwilling to do what is required of him. This same "contractor" is looking for excuses to push his responsibilities onto others.

    Some contractors are competent and capable, others are not...
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    well the good thing is we know where we stand and the contractor knows where he stands . what we don't know is who's going to be standing after they see that bill with all those liabilities that need to be paid for .
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    At first I agreed with JC when that dude said he wouldn't even knock on the door. We have to at least try, and I work with enough guys that don't, and them lazy bass tirds pis me off. BUT, it sounds to me like JC thinks it's our job to tell the homeowner why HE is digging holes in their yard. Shouldn't he be doing that while he is out there white lining the job? Shouldn't he be telling the homeowners what is going to happen and to expect the damage prevention specialists? That way maybe the fence will already be unlocked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayc View Post
    All I've heard in this thread is, "Whaa whaa whaaa I'm a little bitch who is too lazy to hop a fence or talk to a homeowner."

    Grow up and grow a pair.
    That's the same sound we hear when you bitch about doing your job by driving and gaining access to the work areas.

    Since you can walk on water, why don't you cut out us piss-ant locators and mark it your damn self?

    No late marks.
    No white lining.
    No 30 min drives to coordinate access.
    No waiting on some shitty locator to come out to the site and verify marks.

    Sounds like a win-win.

    Let us know how this works for you.
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    Wow guys!

    I sure didn't think there would be such a bar fight with this thread!
    Excavators and Locators, can't we just get along?
    Or agree to disagree?
    Guess not.
    Homeowner - "They still bury lines in the ground?
    I thought they didn't do that anymore!"
    Me - "Yes sir they do."
    ____________________
    Homeowner - "...But you're painting all over people's property"
    Me - "Yes I am. It's the law."
    ____________________
    Homeowner - "My gas line is not over there"
    Me - "Yes it is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayc View Post
    All I've heard in this thread is, "Whaa whaa whaaa I'm a little bitch who is too lazy to hop a fence or talk to a homeowner."

    Grow up and grow a pair.
    I am grown up and I have a big fat pair to match my big fat body. I would not ever "Hop a Fence" and be met with a homeowner with a gun. When you go past the locked fence you just broke the law. As for talking to a homeowner, the first push back I will bill the ticket as no access and the contractor can call in a new ticket. Am I lazy, hell no, I am sick and tired of doing the contractors jobnotifyingfing homeowners YOU are working in their yard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheddar View Post
    At first I agreed with JC when that dude said he wouldn't even knock on the door. We have to at least try, and I work with enough guys that don't, and them lazy bass tirds pis me off. BUT, it sounds to me like JC thinks it's our job to tell the homeowner why HE is digging holes in their yard. Shouldn't he be doing that while he is out there white lining the job? Shouldn't he be telling the homeowners what is going to happen and to expect the damage prevention specialists? That way maybe the fence will already be unlocked.
    White line? what is that lol The only ones i know that white line anything are the utility themselves because they understand shit onecall tickets called in for broad instructions cost them money, or the county workers around us who are ditching and installing culverts.

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    I miss my old job at times. There were times I enjoyed an easy argument with contractors. And what I mean is, I would always make every attempt to get a job marked. If that means I go to the door to get access, that is what I did. I did get to a point where jumping fences was out, to old for that any more and if you would get hurt by any means, you would never hear the end of it from your superiors. Also, a dog in the yard was a yard not marked. Not because I was afraid of them, but I will protect myself and didn't feel like explaining to my boss and the homeowner why there dog was now fluorescent yellow. Instead, I would do the best possible and let the contractor know at that time what was done and ask how we could work together to get the job done. Only problems with that, are that some contractors think that the locators have all kinds of time and we are just able to just go out and throw paint accurately in no time. It doesn't work that way. Most locators are overworked. Most have more tickets than they can get done in a day, and some of those are trouble locates. I always felt that when I located to the best of my ability, documented all things done, and let the contractor know, that is all that you can do.

    Point is, the best thing you can do is keep communication with contractors on trouble locates, locked gates, loose dogs, and such. Work together as best as possible. If clearing the ticket because of no access is available, then let clear it, but have a little heart to call and let the contractor know he will need a new ticket. Then, for the contractors reading this, have a little compassion on the locators. We all know that the big locate companies are asking the locators to do more than they can do. And when the contractors are calling in the long difficult locates, help them out as best you can. A white line is a great tool to help.

    Both locator and contractor need to work together, otherwise, both will be miserable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayc View Post
    All I've heard in this thread is, "Whaa whaa whaaa I'm a little bitch who is too lazy to hop a fence or talk to a homeowner."

    Grow up and grow a pair.
    Hahaha, we know that's "all you heard" because we all know that you are THAT contractor... smdh
    Keep proving our point to us with every lame response... take that crap to some stupid "excavator's" forum...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alsoran17 View Post
    I miss my old job at times. There were times I enjoyed an easy argument with contractors. And what I mean is, I would always make every attempt to get a job marked. If that means I go to the door to get access, that is what I did. I did get to a point where jumping fences was out, to old for that any more and if you would get hurt by any means, you would never hear the end of it from your superiors. Also, a dog in the yard was a yard not marked. Not because I was afraid of them, but I will protect myself and didn't feel like explaining to my boss and the homeowner why there dog was now fluorescent yellow. Instead, I would do the best possible and let the contractor know at that time what was done and ask how we could work together to get the job done. Only problems with that, are that some contractors think that the locators have all kinds of time and we are just able to just go out and throw paint accurately in no time. It doesn't work that way. Most locators are overworked. Most have more tickets than they can get done in a day, and some of those are trouble locates. I always felt that when I located to the best of my ability, documented all things done, and let the contractor know, that is all that you can do.

    Point is, the best thing you can do is keep communication with contractors on trouble locates, locked gates, loose dogs, and such. Work together as best as possible. If clearing the ticket because of no access is available, then let clear it, but have a little heart to call and let the contractor know he will need a new ticket. Then, for the contractors reading this, have a little compassion on the locators. We all know that the big locate companies are asking the locators to do more than they can do. And when the contractors are calling in the long difficult locates, help them out as best you can. A white line is a great tool to help.

    Both locator and contractor need to work together, otherwise, both will be miserable.


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    God damn there are a bunch of ignorant retards in this thread. Let me break it down again for all you brain surgeons:


    Cheddar and Tom Edward - I don't expect you to explain to the homeowner why we're digging, etc. I said very plainly that sometimes the homeowners aren't home or don't return calls to the tags left on doors.

    Mke - Hey, it's the law I gotta call in, can't do it myself. So suck on that one.

    UULC - drag your fat ass into a gym and read a law book while you are there. You are a contractor for the various utilities you locate. There is an easement in their backyard - they can do nothing - including locked gates to prevent you access. Want further proof? Call the local police or sheriff and ask them that. It's common ****ing sense.

    GWJ - This is not ignorance of the system - this is about some lazy fvck who doesn't want to talk to a homeowner and will just write the ticket off. That's where all this started. It's you assholes that keep turning it into - everything on this job is your responsibility. You even have to hold our hands and wipe our ass because we can't do anything for ourselves. If I'm wrong, that's how you're all coming off on this thread.


    If any of you think I'm going to back down on this you're sorely mistaken. God damn, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

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    [QUOTE=jayc;54762]

    UULC - drag your fat ass into a gym and read a law book while you are there. You are a contractor for the various utilities you locate. There is an easement in their backyard - they can do nothing - including locked gates to prevent you access. Want further proof? Call the local police or sheriff and ask them that. It's common ****ing sense

    [QUOTE]


    Sorry to tell you but you are speaking out of your ASS! You can and will be arrested. I have had municipality employees arrested for ENTERING a BACKYARD EASEMENT. So take your contractor ass and you do your job. Your job is to white line and notify homeowners that we will be coming.

    Do I need a gym **** yea do I need to read a law book? NO I do not for I have seen it done.

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