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    Default Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    I was just standing back, looking at the big picture the other day, about how our company is being run. It was very interesting to me how the two most athletic people in our company have the two hardest, most productive areas in Baton Rouge. In my humble opinion, athletic background deeeeeefinately correlates to selecting a locator for an extremely difficult area.

    We got one young guy who is excellent physical condition, and he has a totally rural route that has him driving 70% of the day, and doing less than 10 tickets almost always from what I gather.. I think these kinds of areas should be given to less mobile locators or newbies who are less mobile than someone who was previously involved in athletics, etc. Newbies should be subjected to what the urban guys go through, call it a 'trial' just so they get an idea of what it's really like. It would also reduce expenses and cut the stragglers loose earlier than if otherwise.. The guy who had this guy's area before him, had a limp on his leg, so obviously that was an excellent choice.

    Micromanagement has always interested the hell out of me, and attributes what make a specific locator best for the area the locator is in or moving to, it's just interesting to me
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    areas are a hard thing to get perfectly right imho.............most people want to locate the area closest to their house....some people want to locate the area they were trained in.....i think it would not be smart to force a person to work in a specific area ....it could cause problems that are not needed with all the other ongoing problems....
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    A true locator will locate anywhere IMHO. It makes no sense to me why you would want someone to constantly change areas but it does make a locator more well rounded.

    It also shoots the hell out of production through the re-learning process but in the end if you can have an entire crew even halfway familiar with everyone elses routes things will definately run smoother in the long haul.

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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    I'm not talking about anyone constantly changing areas, I'm talking about having the more mobile people in more hectic areas, and less mobile people in more rural areas. Distribution of physical ability, so to speak.


    Say you had a young person, in pretty good shape, who lived in an area that was pretty loaded down with tickets...Then assigned him a rural area. So, you'd not only have the drive time wasted, with him going from his home to his rural area, but also you waste the production potential by putting someone in pretty good physical condition in the truck 70% of the day.
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    This is exactly the type issue UNIONS are capable of helping evaluate jointly with management in establishing a reasonable solution...

    Or else management has the leverage to take advantage of the workers individually...

    There will never be a resolve do to a lack of accountability of management over its labor practices... Without a voice and the oversight these types of issues will never be resolved...



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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    woooot.

    anywho, I think it comes down to attitude more then athletic ability. I does help not to be a fat slob, but for the most part, if someone doesn't want to work they are not going to work.

    One of the best locators I know as well as my self would not be considered thin. However, neither of us, more him then me back down from tickets or jobs. Our output would always surpass most of the other locators with smaller locate areas. With me, the company seen that I had high output with low damages in a rural area so they moved me to an area that had higher damages. They would proceed to put the guy with more damages into my old area thinking that the old area was an easier place to locate. It wasn't his damages were still high, but I lowered the damages in the new area.

    It comes down to Attitude, but being athletic helps so you don't pass out walking uphill in the heat.

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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    *blink*

    The concept is a tad disturbing to me honestly.

    "So, you take care of yourself physically, are energetic, intelligent, and hard-working? OK, good. You are officially screwed because we're going to give you the crappiest area we can find, because hey you can obviously deal with it."

    "Ok, you on the other hand, smoked for 30 years, are 50lbs overweight, basically do as little as possible for your pay, and can't wait to go home. We'll give you the gravy areas so you can continue to be a fat slob and earn bonuses off the sweat of your fellows who shoulder the brunt of the work"

    ummm...no don't like the idea.

    Honestly in crews I was a Lead in or Supped in (yes I was a Sup for a year before I figured out I made more money as a locator, with fewer hours and MUCH less stress) giving the moderate or easier areas to the more productive crew members BOOSTED production as well as decreased damages. They (including me) would usually clean up their areas and keep them maintained so we could be sent on difficult locates/projects in other areas. Thus, benefitting the whole crew.

    Sorry, I think those who do the shoddiest work AND are least productive (for some reason the two usually go hand in hand) should be forced to step up, or step OUT. Those who actually care abouot there jobs and their crews should reap the rewards and the ability to relax from time to time, NOT the other way around.

    Can you tell I dislike socialism too?
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Mke View Post
    woooot.

    anywho, I think it comes down to attitude more then athletic ability. I does help not to be a fat slob, but for the most part, if someone doesn't want to work they are not going to work.

    One of the best locators I know as well as my self would not be considered thin. However, neither of us, more him then me back down from tickets or jobs. Our output would always surpass most of the other locators with smaller locate areas. With me, the company seen that I had high output with low damages in a rural area so they moved me to an area that had higher damages. They would proceed to put the guy with more damages into my old area thinking that the old area was an easier place to locate. It wasn't his damages were still high, but I lowered the damages in the new area.

    It comes down to Attitude, but being athletic helps so you don't pass out walking uphill in the heat.
    I think he summed up my feelings pretty well.
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by RD_Wrangler View Post
    *blink*

    The concept is a tad disturbing to me honestly.

    "So, you take care of yourself physically, are energetic, intelligent, and hard-working? OK, good. You are officially screwed because we're going to give you the crappiest area we can find, because hey you can obviously deal with it."

    "Ok, you on the other hand, smoked for 30 years, are 50lbs overweight, basically do as little as possible for your pay, and can't wait to go home. We'll give you the gravy areas so you can continue to be a fat slob and earn bonuses off the sweat of your fellows who shoulder the brunt of the work"

    ummm...no don't like the idea.

    Honestly in crews I was a Lead in or Supped in (yes I was a Sup for a year before I figured out I made more money as a locator, with fewer hours and MUCH less stress) giving the moderate or easier areas to the more productive crew members BOOSTED production as well as decreased damages. They (including me) would usually clean up their areas and keep them maintained so we could be sent on difficult locates/projects in other areas. Thus, benefitting the whole crew.

    Sorry, I think those who do the shoddiest work AND are least productive (for some reason the two usually go hand in hand) should be forced to step up, or step OUT. Those who actually care abouot there jobs and their crews should reap the rewards and the ability to relax from time to time, NOT the other way around.

    Can you tell I dislike socialism too?
    Wrangler:

    I agree. I am one of those people who are consistently in the top five of production in our company. I would always finish early and phone the team leader (a female incidently...who consistently does more volume than me) and jointly often we would knock off more big tickets. While the lazy bastards went home early.

    I understand it really is about CHOICE SCAP and if it is genuinely a locators choice to be busy then great. But, in most situations I have been involved with what ends up occuring is a sense is companies "punish" the hard workers with more work and reward the lazy bastards with easier work. In part I suspect due to expediency on the part of management and a managers desire to reduce their stress load by doing the easy thing.

    I work an extremely difficult area...difficult because it is new and NO or very few blueprints/computer information is available. Time has allowed me to know the area well. I usually finish very early in the day, whereas new people to my area take all day to do one of the tickets.

    I then help out in other areas to get the work done. I am then the one who is slow because I do not know the infrastructure, hook-up points, stupid shit stuff that utility Co's. do during utility installs, etc. but it is all new learning to me.

    Now, if only management would do something about the powder puffs who whine and cry that they need to go home early on a busy day.
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    This really is an interesting topic. I myself think that the more productive ones, no matter how great a shape they are in, should be offered the oppty. to be in a more busier, congested area. In my co., the pay is based on rate and it only benefits one who is productive.

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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    Let's not forget that along with the productivity MUST be QUALITY.

    I've known lots of "locators" who could bust out mass volume, but the damages and remark requests in their areas was insane.

    I know this is common sense to most on here, but I wouldn't want this thread to turn into a "production bitch".
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    Right on man, I couldn't have put it any better myself.





    Quote Originally Posted by RD_Wrangler View Post
    *blink*

    The concept is a tad disturbing to me honestly.

    "So, you take care of yourself physically, are energetic, intelligent, and hard-working? OK, good. You are officially screwed because we're going to give you the crappiest area we can find, because hey you can obviously deal with it."

    "Ok, you on the other hand, smoked for 30 years, are 50lbs overweight, basically do as little as possible for your pay, and can't wait to go home. We'll give you the gravy areas so you can continue to be a fat slob and earn bonuses off the sweat of your fellows who shoulder the brunt of the work"

    ummm...no don't like the idea.

    Honestly in crews I was a Lead in or Supped in (yes I was a Sup for a year before I figured out I made more money as a locator, with fewer hours and MUCH less stress) giving the moderate or easier areas to the more productive crew members BOOSTED production as well as decreased damages. They (including me) would usually clean up their areas and keep them maintained so we could be sent on difficult locates/projects in other areas. Thus, benefitting the whole crew.

    Sorry, I think those who do the shoddiest work AND are least productive (for some reason the two usually go hand in hand) should be forced to step up, or step OUT. Those who actually care abouot there jobs and their crews should reap the rewards and the ability to relax from time to time, NOT the other way around.

    Can you tell I dislike socialism too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD_Wrangler View Post
    *blink*

    The concept is a tad disturbing to me honestly.

    "So, you take care of yourself physically, are energetic, intelligent, and hard-working? OK, good. You are officially screwed because we're going to give you the crappiest area we can find, because hey you can obviously deal with it."

    "Ok, you on the other hand, smoked for 30 years, are 50lbs overweight, basically do as little as possible for your pay, and can't wait to go home. We'll give you the gravy areas so you can continue to be a fat slob and earn bonuses off the sweat of your fellows who shoulder the brunt of the work"

    ummm...no don't like the idea.

    Honestly in crews I was a Lead in or Supped in (yes I was a Sup for a year before I figured out I made more money as a locator, with fewer hours and MUCH less stress) giving the moderate or easier areas to the more productive crew members BOOSTED production as well as decreased damages. They (including me) would usually clean up their areas and keep them maintained so we could be sent on difficult locates/projects in other areas. Thus, benefitting the whole crew.

    Sorry, I think those who do the shoddiest work AND are least productive (for some reason the two usually go hand in hand) should be forced to step up, or step OUT. Those who actually care abouot there jobs and their crews should reap the rewards and the ability to relax from time to time, NOT the other way around.

    Can you tell I dislike socialism too?
    You have 3 cities and 11 guys.

    City A being the largest, City B being a moderately sized city, and city C being a rural, spread out area that has alot of drivetime.

    City A (massive city)has 6 guys.

    City B (city one-sixth the size of city A)has 4 guys.

    City C (rural, spread out 80% drivetime city) has 1 guy.

    -----------------

    City A- Average locator gets 25-40 new tickets a day, along with multiple ongoing roadjobs for each techn. (20% drivetime, 80% in the field)

    City B-Average locator gets 10-15-20 new tickets a day. Rare roadjobs(50-60% drivetime, 40% in the field)

    City C-Average locator gets 8-15 tickets a day. 80% drivetime. Less walking needed than compared to any other city.(80% + drivetime, 20% in the field)

    -----------------

    You said a fat slob would be a bad idea to put in an area with high drivetime, but I think a fat slob would be a good candidate for City C.

    Let's use a candidate that is overweight, but has decent/good/whatever knowledge of locating.

    Because a fat guy who weighs 300-350lbs is going to have a hell of a time keeping up with roadwork in City A, along with a ton of crazy different tickets of all types involving all kinds of mobility, lots of walking whereas in city B the fat guy would get more done due to having to expend less energy throughout the day, allowing him to focus more on getting stuff taken care of in City B, or preferably City C...
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    You make some good points though RD, and I too dislike Socialism...~
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    Default Re: Allocating locators in different areas according to their athletic abilities

    scap, in my experience rural routes usually required MORE walking/strenuous activity than a metro route. The vas majority of rural tickets I got were for ditch cleaning/road grading/utility installs. Most a minimum of a mile, usually more.

    I could locate a mile of rural route in less than 30 minutes, most others who tried to run my route spent like 2 hours on the same type locate, and then bitched about slogging through ditches, weeds, etc.

    Each area in the country is different, but as has been noted in this thread multiple times, it's mostly attitude and work ethic. Reguardless of health, "if you don't WANT to, you aint GONNA!"

    We usually put our slackers in a medium suburb to urban non-commercial type area if possible. They dealt with the crappy, single address, fence builds/sewer repairs/telecomm fault/etc.. That way the movers and shakers could handle the rural and downtown areas without dealing with fences and dogs too much

    Worked great! Damages were to a minimum, production rocked, and the GOOD locators were kept fat and happy with lots of OT without having to deal with the home-owner hassles that much.
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