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  1. jayc's Avatar
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    Wow, someone who gets it!

    Nice!
  2. Stacy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayc
    Wow, someone who gets it!

    Nice!
    Hi Jacy,
    At the risk for sounding like an @$$ are you a locater or management? I should say that I have never been to a meeting and I do not know what the Union is promising. On top of that I have idea as to how much we get paid per locate (on any contract), how much the vehicle maintenance and fuel cost are per hour, or the cost of the office and support staff cost per hour, etc. I know my average tickets per hour and my pay. I only say no to management when it conflicts with important family commitments and for that I have been treated better than average in this business.
  3. Mke's Avatar
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    Stacey, there is tons of posts that end up in the realm of "unionize, or not to unionize". The two sides both think that they are right. It comes down to being realistic.

    You nailed it when you stated that if one company unionized another would come in and under bid the contract. The union wouldn't be able to place locators, so they would be out on the streets.

    Search the vine, there is some good threads

    Mke
  4. jayc's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacy
    Hi Jacy,
    At the risk for sounding like an @$$ are you a locater or management? I should say that I have never been to a meeting and I do not know what the Union is promising. On top of that I have idea as to how much we get paid per locate (on any contract), how much the vehicle maintenance and fuel cost are per hour, or the cost of the office and support staff cost per hour, etc. I know my average tickets per hour and my pay. I only say no to management when it conflicts with important family commitments and for that I have been treated better than average in this business.
    I'm a contractor, and the owner of my company. But I still work in the field almost every single day - including weekends when my guys are off and I'm doing stuff by myself so they can have time with their families. Trust me, I get that you think your underpaid, undervalued, etc...and you think the union will be the number 1 answer to all your problems. What then? Lets say your pay goes up...that means it costs more for your employer to employ you, and based on their contract now they aren't making any money. But hey, you're only concerned about you at this point. You don't care if your employer loses money at the end of the year by the time they pay taxes, insurance, vehicles, tools, maintenance, fuel, rent, etc... So what do they have to do in order to make money? Jack up their prices. Problem is, now they're at a high risk of losing their contract because someone else can probably come in and do it cheaper, and who's not union. Now you're out of a job, and you're part of the union, and guess who is still going to want their money from you - the union. You're paying dues even if you're not working. I was on a job recently and talked to a union electrician who only worked 4 months out of the year. He's got a house, 2 kids, and a wife. So while he's not working, he's still paying his dues, and all his normal living expenses, but he's only working 4 months out of the year.

    You say you've been treated better than most in this business, so what's the deal with wanting to unionize? I don't know how much you get paid, but from what I've read a lot of these locators on here are making in the $12-$15 range...that's not bad and you're already doing better than most. Plus you've got the ability to make your own schedule (ie: you can route your tickets as you see fit, take lunch when you want, etc...).
  5. superman's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayc
    I don't know how much you get paid, but from what I've read a lot of these locators on here are making in the $12-$15 range...that's not bad and you're already doing better than most. Plus you've got the ability to make your own schedule (ie: you can route your tickets as you see fit, take lunch when you want, etc...).
    You would not say that pay is not bad if you were a locator. We have human lives in our hands. You, Jayc are depending on our marks to keep you and everyone around you safe for $12-$15 bucks. Locating is an art and only about 1/3 of those trained in locating stick with it and fully understand it. That's probably why you are having some of the problems with locators. It's not for everyone. You either get it, or not. I am one of the dumb asses that stayed too long and now I'm stuck in the business. I make a bit more than $12-$15, but it's still a slap right in the face.
  6. Mke's Avatar
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    Jc, I think you are missing the target again. You can read my long stream of "anti-union" but "pro-locator" threads. You can't liken a large contract utility company with the concerns of a small shop. That particular sympathy ship has sailed a long time ago

    Stacy has other reasons not to look at a union.

    12-15 bucks an hour is acceptable where 85% of the liability is on the locators shoulders? You believe that the going rate for "unskilled" labor is good enough for a representative of a utility company(typically more than one utility company) to come out and protect utilities?

    I know you feel locating is easy.... And it is. However, locating well is difficult. You reason it away with not having the appropriate maps. It's not the maps that make the locator. It's the ability to understand and interpret what is present or not present in the field.

    Just because our industry is the redheaded stepchild for three other industries (utility, construction, and engineering) it doesn't deserve to be relegated to just under the wage of an assistant shift manager at McDonalds. ( typically McDonalds employees don't get fired for mistakes, unlike locators.

    Mke
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  7. superstaker's Avatar
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    I believe small companys don't need a union, but the big ones like usic does not for more pay but for better treatment understanding people have families