Union

[Locatingart]

IBEW Members Live Better!
As IBEW members, we bargain collectively with our employers over wages, benefits, and rights.



We have the best chance of receiving better wages, benefits and fair treatment in the workplace by bargaining collectively as a union.



Most of us have very limited bargaining power as one person, but as a group, we are strong. And, with a good negotiated contract, we have legal protections we would not have otherwise.

[Locatingart]

Get the facts!
Q. How does the union work?
A. A union is a democratic organization of a majority of the employees in a facility. The basic idea of a union is that by joining together with fellow employees to form a union, workers have a greater ability to improve conditions at the worksite. In other words, "in unity there is strength."



Q. What will be in our contract?
A. It is for the union employees to decide what to negotiate for. Your co-workers are already talking about many issues that are important to them at union meetings. After you win union recognition, you will select a negotiating committee from among your co-workers. Then, with the assistance of union negotiators, the committee will sit down with management to negotiate a contract.

The law says that both sides must bargain "in good faith" to reach an agreement on wages, benefits, and working conditions. The contract will only take effect after it is approved (ratified) by a majority of the workers.

It is not possible to know exactly what will be in the first contract. Our goal will be to win improvements with each contract.

Q. Who runs the union?
A. The union is a democratic organization run by the members. Members elect the local officers. You vote on many issues of importance to you. You vote on your contract. Union members elect delegates to national conventions, where delegates elect national officers and vote on major issues affecting the union such as constitutional amendments. The union is the people themselves.

Q. Won't it cost the company a lot money if the union comes in?
A. In the short run, it's true that unions cost employers more in terms of wages and benefits. But in the long run, that doesn't necessarily hurt the employer. Many unions are good for the employers as well as for the workers.

The reason is simple. With a union there is higher morale, and there is a mechanism for workers to have a voice in how the workplace operates.

Satisfied employees are more productive, and less likely to quit, so there is less turnover. Also, management benefits when it gets input from the workers on how the operation could be run better.

Q. Can I be fired for participating in the campaign?
A. First of all, the law prohibits any employer from discriminating against people in any way because of their union activity. If an employer does harass or discriminate against a union supporter, the union files a charge with the Labor Board, and prosecutes the employer to the fullest extent.

The best safeguard against the employer harassing anyone is for everybody to stick together and win their union. Without a union, management has a free hand to treat people as they please. But with a union, everyone has the protection of a union contract.

Q. What can the union do about favoritism?
A. Fairness is the most important part of the union contract. The same rules apply to everyone. If any worker feels that he or she is not being treated fairly, then he or she, of course, still has the opportunity to complain to the supervisor, just like before. But under a union contract, the supervisor or manager no longer has the final say. They are no longer judge and jury. If the worker is not satisfied with the response of the supervisor, the worker can file a grievance.

The first step of a grievance procedure is for the steward to accompany the worker to try to work it out with the supervisor. If the worker is not satisfied, the steward and the employee, with help from the Union Business Manager, can bring the grievance to higher management. If the complaint is not resolved, then the issue can be placed before an outside neutral judge called an arbitrator.

Q. Management is hinting that we could lose the benefits we now have. Is that true?
A. The purpose of forming a union is to win improvements in wages and benefits, not to lose them. We start with what we have and go up. On average, unionized workers earn a third more than non-union workers in wages and benefits. Occasionally in organized facilities workers agree to grant concessions to aid an ailing company, but this comes after years of winning improvements.

The employees vote on whether or not to accept a contract. Would you vote to accept a contract that took away your benefits? Think about it. If having a union meant that the employer could reduce your benefits, why would the employer be fighting the union so hard?

Besides, it is against the law for the employer to retaliate against the union by taking away wages or benefits.


Q. What about all those meetings we're having where management talks about the union being bad and corrupt?
A. The employer would like you to think that unions are corrupt. The truth is that unions are decent, honest organizations dedicated to improving the lives of working people.

Nothing is perfect, and there have been examples of union officials who have not been honest. But the same is true of government officials and business leaders. There are a few bad apples in any group of people.

Telling you not to vote for a union because there have been some corrupt officials is like telling you never to work for a company because a company official has been corrupt.

Q. The employer says the union can't guarantee us anything. Can you?
A. The union can guarantee this: that when workers stick together as a union they have more bargaining power and more of a voice than they do as individuals.

When the union wins, you will negotiate a contract with the employer. We can make no promises on what the contract will contain. That is for you to decide when you vote on your contract. We can guarantee that the contract will be legally binding, and the union will make sure the contract is enforced.

Q. Management says the union is just after our dues money. Why should we pay money to the union?
A. Dues are used to run your union and keep it strong. The dues are divided between the local union and the national union. The money is used to provide expert services to your local union, including negotiators, lawyers, economists, and educators; to pay the salaries of officers and staff, including organizers; to provide newsletters and conferences. The local union's money is used for reimbursing stewards for lost time, for the union hall, and for other expenses of your union.

Did you know that the employer also pays dues to organizations? Employers have their own ''unions" - such as the Chamber of Commerce or the National Association of Manufacturers. They pay for representation-why shouldn't you?

Besides, since when is the company so concerned about your money?



Q. How much are Union Dues?
A. The dues will depend upon what the local needs to operate efficiently and effectively. However, the dues will be set by you, as a local union, with the exception of the International portion of the dues, which is set and voted by all Local Unions at the International Convention every five (5) years. However, no dues are paid until the majority of workers vote to accept a contract they helped to negotiate. All initiation fees will be waived for members in newly organized units.



Q. Management has hinted there will be a strike if we organize.
A. Management talks a lot about strikes during an organizing drive. Did they tell you that over 98% of union contracts are settled without a strike? There could only be a strike if the employees vote for the strike. And it's only smart to vote for a strike if you know you can win. The employer doesn't want a strike any more than the workers do, so everyone has an incentive to reach a compromise during bargaining.

Unions have developed a lot of other tactics that can put pressure on management to reach a fair agreement. For example, unions use boycotts or corporate campaigns or community support, rather than necessarily having to resort to striking.



Q. How do we go about getting a union here?
A. We've already taken the important first steps in forming a union. We've formed a voluntary organizing committee of which many of you are members. This committee was formed to investigate and to inform of the ways that a union may help us. We've held meetings to inform other employees as to what their rights are now and the rights they gain by forming a union.



Now it's all up to us to vote Union and to ask others to vote for their future by VOTING UNION .



Q. What does signing the card mean?
A. It means you want the union. The card is a commitment of support. And, it gives us the legal support for an open and free union election.




Reference Sources:
National Labor Relations Act
The Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1959

[Goldenboy]

Just think with a union us tenured 10-20 year locators would make the same pay as a 1-2 year locator.

Not to mention the stress between supervisors and locators. I worked for Teamsters Local 200 for 5 years and can't really think of any good things that the union did for us. Unless you consider strking and 1/4 of the guys losing their jobs good.

[PowerSweep]

Gee,

I just can't wait to be in the situation where some lazy S.O.B. gets the better jobs, can out bid me on every opening that comes along just because he has been here 1 day more than me. I for one left a union job to start locating & took a $4 an hour pay cut. When I was in the union, I worked twice as hard as the guys around me, but couldn't earn better wages or get the better jobs because I didn't have the seniority.

I prefer the opportunity to earn advancement or job choices by my own merits, not because a union says that I deserve it more because I have been here longer.

[Locatingart]

Yes there are some bad union out there and yes there are bad members (workers) out there too. But you would have a voice in what happen to you and others. Which you do not have now. If we become organized we would all have Good pay. In this day of $4.00 per gal. gas Food cost have reason 50% across the board. We would have a choices of health insurance not some HR person pick it for you. If someone is wroungly excused of not doing there job or some Supervisor dont like you. You would be protected by the membership. Your fellow locators. Look at the crews that you subcontract for. There are union making $25 to $30 and hour there have great training, Retirement, Great health care, and much much more. If you dont want to beleive in the union. Take the time to ask those men and women if there like the union. and then call a local rep. and ask them what you need to know. Please dont sell yourself short with out know all the facts.

[wannabe]

If Unions are so fantastic how come memberships are at an all time low? Ask the UAW members in MI, OK, KS and other states where they have been let go. Various Teamster unions are bankrupt in their pension funds and won't be able to take care of the younger members. I worked as an Union Ironworker for 3 years and managed under a union contract for 7 years. Work in a non union shop now and the guys all make over $20/hr, where the average market wage is $12/hour. Why? Because we take care of our guys. They have a voice and when they have something to say, we listen. Unions had a time and place in the early 20th century;however, with the labor laws in place today they are antiquated. Good luck getting better wages after you sign your card and vote. Companies and the union will be tied up in negotations and at that point no one wins. Wages get frozen, bonuses go away, and in some cases you may lose money. Good luck in your endeavor promoting a dying animal. :rolleyes:

[TheCableVine]

Where's that popcorn smiley when you need it?

[Goldenboy]

Don't worry I got the popcorn.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/predrunner/cablevine/ththpopcornsmile.gif

[nxs]

I guess we all have our own experiences. I belonged to the IBEW once. It was great if you like paying monthly union dues for absolutely nothing in return. The only thing I got out of it was a lay-off because even though I was a high producer, I was low on seniority. My company then hired me back to a non-union managerial job making more money. So, I guess in the end the union did get me a raise. :rolleyes:

[yahoo]

locatingart ..........maybe one day you would have got your point across to me and maybe i would have listened b.c you are persistent and that can be a good thing but after the way i see you treat your fellow posters / threaders like gypsy for instance.............i wonder how you could anywhere on earth become a rep for the union.......... an apology is in order to her....you will get no respect from me sir>>>>>>>>>

[USIC1]

I have to give credit where credit is do...

A longer sh!t list and still a survivor...


I dont no whether to envy or admonish...

Wonder what Justice thinks???


:)

[Locatingart]

All I know is there is alot of unhappy locator who love what there do and there want to be respected by the people who there work for I have seen fellow locators get let go for reason there were out of there control. Supervisor and DM's who blame a locator to keep there own job. With that said and if I am so wrong about unions What do you all think we should do. To help a locator make a good living for his or her family without having the fear of losing there job. As we all set back and watch are CEO & President"s of the company we work so hard for laugh all the way to the bank. Please give me a true answer. I believe we all deserve that>

[TBONE]

We have the CWA for the most part it isnt that bad but the other offices that are not do seem to have a few more perks but it could be worse :rolleyes:

[Locatingart]

Thanks TBONE for your input!!!! It nice to see someone with a Ideal I know IBEW and CWA are working very close together to Help locators

[beyond help]

That's all I need to do, piss more of my money away:(

[Goldenboy]

I forgot to add that most the IBEW shops in this area don't get vacation,sickpay, or holiday pay. So even if they were able to get a little more money losing 4 weeks vacation,sick pay, and holiday pay doesn't seem like a fair trade to me.

JMHO

[hykrdude]

I know long time union CLS locators in a northeast state earn at least $3/hr LESS than non union areas and they get NO support...my buddy says they just take the dues...15+ year guys making 17 and change an hour!

[Locatingart]

So what the answer Guys. I am still waiting for better answer. I am Just trying to help are fellow locators survive. It is so easy point out things wrong with ideal and not any better ideals

[Locatingart]

I would like to remove this thread do to there is no interest

[sprayandpray]

I would like to remove this thread do to there is no interest

I think he's finally seeing the light

[wannabe]

Apparently you have never seen how much the Presidents of unions and their officers make. It's just as bad as CEOs and COO's of companies. Most of us working stiffs would be happy to earn a decent living and not give our money to those who "claim" to represent the working man. My money goes to supporting my family and my voice is my own. My union steward was a blow hard who when my time to stand up for my rights came, he bailed and threw me under the bus. Lost my job and lost my belief that unions were worth a damn. Thank god for the old crusty job site super who called me back and gave me the father to son talk. Went back to work and kept my mouth shut. Told the worthless SOB of a union steward and his fancy pants pal the BA to kiss my proverbial behind. Speak your mind and don't let others do your talking, especially when they take your money. If they did it for free, they'd get my respect. Check out the parking lot of the union hall and see what the BA drives. I bet its a fancy truck or car. Where do they get the money?:rolleyes:

[underground quester]

Check out the parking lot of the union hall and see what the BA drives. I bet its a fancy truck or car. Where do they get the money?:rolleyes:



A few years back I had to negotiate with the gangsters OOPS I mean Teamsters. I drove a 5 year old Toyota Corolla, he drove a brand new Crown Vic and made 50% more money than I did as a manager of 175 staff.

Grievences also drove me crazy. Few had much merit but proceded anyway. One fellow working for me refused to pee in a bottle, a requirement for long haul drivers. I refused to put him on long hauls. He grieved, I stood firm. His grievance went away for something like $50.00 the difference between what he made working the city vs working the road. What a freeking waste of time and resources.

While I believe unions have their place, it is the stupidity that puts many people off unions.

Just my opinion, for what it is worth.

[South Kansas]

17 an hour sounds good to me. Sitting around on my ass doing nothing earning that kind of jack sounds like good money for me.

[2RUDE]

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[shovelhead]

Had there been no union I'm not sure how I would have fared, but I was certainly glad to have union protection at this time. Peace Out...Jim :ylsuper:

Had there been no union, you would have been shit-canned. Period.

With a union, you have at the very minimum, two things.

- Collective bargaining

- The right to have a union member advocate for you if you're being "disciplined".

Those two things are usually worth the price of admission alone.

And yes, there are bad things about unions.

I can tell you stories all day about Chicago shenanigans...

But the bottom line:

Any port in a storm folks, any port.

[AULupstate]

2RUDE

So you are thank full for the union that saved your butt from being fired? The same union that brought back the POS who was buddies with the guy who was promoted to the position he was in so he could fire you? I am just wondering?

[2RUDE]

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[Goldenboy]

Today while locating at a new Menards building under construction the Teamsters 200 were striking and sat in front of the entrances and didn't let anyone in. They were mad because they used non-union drivers to deliver some structual steel. Man were they pissed when I walked right over the silt fence in the property. I guess they thought I cared.

[TBONE]

Today while locating at a new Menards building under construction the Teamsters 200 were striking and sat in front of the entrances and didn't let anyone in. They were mad because they used non-union drivers to deliver some structual steel. Man were they pissed when I walked right over the silt fence in the property. I guess they thought I cared.



And they didnt do nothing about it cause you are not even associated with thier type of work haha:rules:

[Goldenboy]

USIC1 You keep promoting the union. If I remember right you work for a union shop already. If the union is so great you must make a really good pay scale and never have to worry about production. And really never want to leave your job because the union has done so well for you.

[yahoo]

what????????? i thought he was truck driving!!!!!!!!!!!

[USIC1]

LOOK!!!

Just because its labor day weekend and youve popped a couple tops, dont start spoutin off at me!!!

Fortunately in regards to your insite you do have a point and yes I have gravitated to what could be considered a greater leveraged arrangement in the industry...Maybe to some extent you should be thankful that some out here may be supporting a base line for others...

Okay now I will except my :medalofhonor: for that service...

[USIC1]

what????????? i thought he was truck driving!!!!!!!!!!!

Whats that saying-

The contractors cant take me and truck driving companys are afraid I ll take over...

Okay that does nt make sense but your used to that by now...

School doesnt start until January 09...

So there!!!

[yahoo]

hang in there dude....i'm thinking to myself that you may be driving the truck that is carrying my orange paint to my office.................hahahhahahhah...........wis hful thinking

[USIC1]

hang in there dude....i'm thinking to myself that you may be driving the truck that is carrying my orange paint to my office.................hahahhahahhah...........wis hful thinking

Or your Gustav rations 6 mos from now to tent city La.!!!

[Dave72]

Coupla threads moving lately re: union.. so there i was drinking beer and thinking about it.. (I happen to be union btw)

Maybe its like this: You have 3 points of interest.. the company, the worker, and the company-worker relationship (union or non). Now you can have a good company or a crappy company.. a good worker or a crappy worker.. and a good relationship or a crappy one.

Im sure you can picture the various situations for that triangle, so Im not gonna punch it in here. But I do think that alot of times union ppl do picture that it can be bad to be either kind of worker in a crappy company.. and we tend to quote that. Likewise, good workers with a good relationship in a good company can picture a crappy worker in a good relationship with either kind of company , and tend to quote that.

Main thing is, we all work in the field.. weather hazards, dogs, people , traffic, confined space situations, heavy equipment etc.. risks ya gotta take now and then.. all for a little chunk of the pie to bring home and buy the chicken breasts and beer.

(see how I turned it back to beer ?)

[TBONE]

Comon it was getting peaceful around here.:popcornsmile:

[justanotherlocator]

If anyone thinks a union is good for locators they are nuts. What happens when locating companies have to pay higher wages? They have to bid higher prices from the utility companies. What happens when you bid higher prices? You don't get the work. Simply put, unions would eliminate the need for outsourcing locating and the utilities would take all back in-house. Then unless you know (or blow) someone, you are out of a job. Then our power rates go up to pay for it.

[USIC1]

Your gonna eat crow anyway in a few more months!!!!

When Obama and Biden wipe out the Ol Man and the floozy...

Wallys already predicted/warned going union if the dems take the election...

Food Kitty will ROAR and prices across the consumer staples spectrum will rocket on leverage...

Hows about them high dollar apples?!?!?!


:rotflol:

[carl3572]

Just think with a union us tenured 10-20 year locators would make the same pay as a 1-2 year locator.

Not to mention the stress between supervisors and locators. I worked for Teamsters Local 200 for 5 years and can't really think of any good things that the union did for us. Unless you consider strking and 1/4 of the guys losing their jobs good.

I dont know how much a 1-2 year locator gets paid in your area but in my area its not alot. We're union out where im from and im not sure if Im for it or against it. Honestly I think we'd get paid more without a union.

[beyond help]

Oh $#*!, here we go again.

:Titanic::stars::blahblah:

[sprayandpray]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::clapping::popcorn::pop corn::popcorn:

[Locateforlife]

If anyone thinks a union is good for locators they are nuts. What happens when locating companies have to pay higher wages? They have to bid higher prices from the utility companies. What happens when you bid higher prices? You don't get the work. Simply put, unions would eliminate the need for outsourcing locating and the utilities would take all back in-house. Then unless you know (or blow) someone, you are out of a job. Then our power rates go up to pay for it.

Here in Wisconsin we had a union at CLS about 5 years ago and when it came time to rebid our contract with our 'main' utility, the union wanted to raise everyones wages so high that CLS bid real high, lost the contract and nearly 100 damage prevention techs were out of jobs.
I sat on the nagotiating commitee and all we got for a contract was the Employee Handbook with a wage scale that topped out at $17.00 an hour.
The so called union reps from IBEW sat on the FAT backsides when it came to standing for a tech that was being disciplined.
Take a look at the autoworkers, airlines and other troubled industries, ALL UNION. The only place that a union works is in the government. When wages go up the government just taxes the rest of us to pay for it. When private industry is union, how do they pay for the higher wages? LAYOFFS!!!
I for one say a union is completely useless keep them out of your company!!!!!!!!!!!!:bang::bang::bang::bang:

[RoadMap]

If my company went union I am sure I would have to take a cut in pay! And I am not willing to do that. Plus I think unions in this industry would never work. Utility companies outsource this part of their business because it is cheaper than having a union worker perform this duty. And it takes away the liability for them.

[Dave72]

I think.. if you think.. that people in control of your wages are more interested in morals that money.. then you dont need a union. Ya.. unions add an extra cost (all that friggin International office and wages crapola)..

But if you can imagine that a majority of the people in control of your wages/lifestyle/future are more interested in their own money, and you're willing to just accept whatever they tell you is necessary.. then you're heading downhill.

Human greed will seperate us into a more defined have/have-not culture with time. The ultimate control of this will be the acceptance of the end user to the quality of product/service. Not a good sign when you looksee at your local Walmart parking lot, is it... but it does hold fast.

So the race is.. who will perform a good enough quality job for the lowest price. I know of people (union) who think that a subpar job is good enough, and the push is on to remind them that its not. Takes time, but it is a message thats spreading, i think.

The professional guys in the nonunion trades are doin their part.. sometimes i question why it has to be a race to the bottom though.. next guy along might do your job as well as you.. but for $5 less. Sound good to you ? Maybe you can do the same good job for $5 less than him.. heck why not ? Not like you actually need some bbq steaks.. soup will be ok. Hey, whatever you think is fair is ok too, right ? As long as the company is in the red.. thats the main thing..

(disclaimer.. typed under the influence of wine..)

[RoadMap]

But a union would kill this industry. The company who has to pay union scale is a company that has to bid higher to make a profit. But will lose the contract to a flyby night company. Or a company that under bids everyone by a couple of dollars per locate to get the work. And you know who I am talking about. There is always someone willing to do it for less. Utilities always say they want quality but money drives the market. They use the quality thing to price the locates themselves. If your quality slips they ask for a price decrease. If you say no they exercise their 30 day out and find someone else. Until there becomes a national certification mandated by the federal government there can not be unions in this industry. I do not see that happening anytime soon.

[ifinditunderground]

Take a look at what the Unions have done to our Steel Industry, and our Automakers. It's a damn disgrace.