Wingfoot
September 14th, 2008, 04:10 AM
I would take you seriously if you provided a link to a FACTUAL news story, with verified sources. Instead, the links go to opinionated blogs that have no need to report the truth, or verifiable facts.
I am open to reports of truth, or at least facts that can be substantiated. Everyone has an opinion, just because you put it in a blog and publish it to the public does not make it correct, or true, or even believable, unless you just want to believe unsubstantiated statements of supposed facts...in other words, gullable, very gullable.
McCain has said repeatedly that he was afforded no special treatment while in the "Hanoi Hilton". Yet when he was first interviewed by the North Vietnamese he is shown at a hospital reserved for Vietnamese military and he was seen by Soviet Surgeons.
His wife at the time, was a member of the National League of Families and she fought to make sure that John McCain came home. He rewarded this loyalty by divorcing her after his return.
He was shot down October 26, 1967. By November 9, 1967 he was giving interviews to foreign correspondents, providing information on his prior command, casualties and tactics, in direct violation of the Code of Conduct. (The U.S. military Code of Conduct is the definitive code specifying the responsibilities of American military personnel while in combat or captivity. Article V of the Code is very specific in ordering U.S. military personnel to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies, or harmful to their cause. Any willful violation of the Code is considered collaborating with the enemy.)
Most of the Hanoi Hilton was razed in 1993, and only a sliver of it has been preserved as a tourist attraction. McCain's helmet, oxygen mask and a flight suit (McCain denies they're his) are on display. The communist Vietnamese erected a concrete monument that stands beside the lake where John McCain was shot down. The monument depicts an American pilot, hands raised in surrender. McCain's defenders say that this is a tribute to the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) gunners that shot him down. Or could it be the communist Vietnamese tribute to their war hero, an American defector?
In the interview that McCain gave on November 9, 1967 to the Visiting Nurse Association International, he claims he bailed out and landed in a lake. McCain stated that the locals pulled him out and took him to the hospital. Yet in the U.S. News and World Report - May 14, 1973 (http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html) McCain is quoted as saying, "I think it was on the fourth day (after being shot down) that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size of a football . . . when I saw it, I said to the guard, Ok, get the officer'...an officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as 'The Bug'. He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, Ok, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
While testifying before the Senate Select Committee, the very man McCain claims was responsible for his own torture, his interrogator, "The Bug" was appearing. When the moment of confrontation came, McCain rose from his seat, walked from the podium to the floor and stood face to face with the man who was responsible for torturing him and countless other Prisoners of War...McCain then grabbed the man and embraced him!
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff124/wingfootsmp/mcain_bu.gif
John McCain has been a consistent advocate of lenient treatment of Vietnam.
While a member of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs (1991-1993) he referred to POW/MIA Family Members and POW/MIA Activists as whiners, vultures and the lunatic fringe.
Although the Senate Select Committee concluded that we left men behind, McCain crossed party lines to help lift the embargo and normalize relations with Vietnam. "It's very important for us to recognize that the war is over, ... In my view, an improvement in relations between our two countries does a whole of lot things from a practical standpoint, but it also, from a spiritual standpoint indicates that we are ready to close that chapter," McCain said. (Many POWs and families of MIAs would strongly disagree that is time to close this chapter! Improving relations with Vietnam stood to benefit the McCain's family as they hold a large interest (http://www.uhuh.com/politics/mccain/mcainwnxs.htm) in the Budweiser Corporation. Surprise, surprise Bud (http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/06/09/daily7.html) was among the first large U.S. Corporations to enter Vietnam after relations were normalized.)
He ignored a letter from former POW, Capt. Eugene "Red" McDaniel, co-signed by 50 former POWs which asked that the embargo not be lifted and not to normalize relations and still McCain would not be swayed.
When the Missing Service Personnel Act of 1996 came on the Senate Floor for debate, Senator McCain called this bill "un-necessary" and "burdensome" even though the MSPA was sponsored by the then majority leader and the man who had considered asking John McCain to run with him, Sen. Bob Dole.
McCain managed to get the MSPA amended by removing criminal liability and several articles that were important to POW/MIA Family members.
Listen to what fellow members of the U.S. House of Representatives (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c46_1200730386) have to say about John McCain on the POW/MIA issue!
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John McCain's selling out and stabbing his former friends in the back is his preferred tactic. Ask the families of the POW/MIAs who enthusiastically backed McCain when he first ran for Congress only to be dry-gulched (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1AWeZrdxfQ) by him when he no longer found them useful. As a gratuitous, sadistic flourish, McCain even had them investigated by the Justice Department on trumped-up charges. The fact that they were exonerated on all counts has yet to make an impression on McCain's airhead supporters who continue to trumpet the phony charges in deceitful neo-McCarthyite fashion. John McCain is an abysmal mediocrity who would never have made it on a level playing field. He was fifth from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. He racked up three life threatening "Dangerous Downs" at flight school -- the last one for flying his aircraft into the sea while asleep -- enough to get anyone without his political influence bounced down the back stairs. As for his record as a senator, can anyone remember a single significant thing this man has accomplished in more than a dozen years as a member of the Senate? Anything other than sell out the POWs and promote the interests of Communist Vietnam, that is. To those who have recently determined that we just HAVE to have this man as our next president, I pose the following question: WHY?
I am open to reports of truth, or at least facts that can be substantiated. Everyone has an opinion, just because you put it in a blog and publish it to the public does not make it correct, or true, or even believable, unless you just want to believe unsubstantiated statements of supposed facts...in other words, gullable, very gullable.
McCain has said repeatedly that he was afforded no special treatment while in the "Hanoi Hilton". Yet when he was first interviewed by the North Vietnamese he is shown at a hospital reserved for Vietnamese military and he was seen by Soviet Surgeons.
His wife at the time, was a member of the National League of Families and she fought to make sure that John McCain came home. He rewarded this loyalty by divorcing her after his return.
He was shot down October 26, 1967. By November 9, 1967 he was giving interviews to foreign correspondents, providing information on his prior command, casualties and tactics, in direct violation of the Code of Conduct. (The U.S. military Code of Conduct is the definitive code specifying the responsibilities of American military personnel while in combat or captivity. Article V of the Code is very specific in ordering U.S. military personnel to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies, or harmful to their cause. Any willful violation of the Code is considered collaborating with the enemy.)
Most of the Hanoi Hilton was razed in 1993, and only a sliver of it has been preserved as a tourist attraction. McCain's helmet, oxygen mask and a flight suit (McCain denies they're his) are on display. The communist Vietnamese erected a concrete monument that stands beside the lake where John McCain was shot down. The monument depicts an American pilot, hands raised in surrender. McCain's defenders say that this is a tribute to the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) gunners that shot him down. Or could it be the communist Vietnamese tribute to their war hero, an American defector?
In the interview that McCain gave on November 9, 1967 to the Visiting Nurse Association International, he claims he bailed out and landed in a lake. McCain stated that the locals pulled him out and took him to the hospital. Yet in the U.S. News and World Report - May 14, 1973 (http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html) McCain is quoted as saying, "I think it was on the fourth day (after being shot down) that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size of a football . . . when I saw it, I said to the guard, Ok, get the officer'...an officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as 'The Bug'. He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, Ok, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
While testifying before the Senate Select Committee, the very man McCain claims was responsible for his own torture, his interrogator, "The Bug" was appearing. When the moment of confrontation came, McCain rose from his seat, walked from the podium to the floor and stood face to face with the man who was responsible for torturing him and countless other Prisoners of War...McCain then grabbed the man and embraced him!
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff124/wingfootsmp/mcain_bu.gif
John McCain has been a consistent advocate of lenient treatment of Vietnam.
While a member of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs (1991-1993) he referred to POW/MIA Family Members and POW/MIA Activists as whiners, vultures and the lunatic fringe.
Although the Senate Select Committee concluded that we left men behind, McCain crossed party lines to help lift the embargo and normalize relations with Vietnam. "It's very important for us to recognize that the war is over, ... In my view, an improvement in relations between our two countries does a whole of lot things from a practical standpoint, but it also, from a spiritual standpoint indicates that we are ready to close that chapter," McCain said. (Many POWs and families of MIAs would strongly disagree that is time to close this chapter! Improving relations with Vietnam stood to benefit the McCain's family as they hold a large interest (http://www.uhuh.com/politics/mccain/mcainwnxs.htm) in the Budweiser Corporation. Surprise, surprise Bud (http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/06/09/daily7.html) was among the first large U.S. Corporations to enter Vietnam after relations were normalized.)
He ignored a letter from former POW, Capt. Eugene "Red" McDaniel, co-signed by 50 former POWs which asked that the embargo not be lifted and not to normalize relations and still McCain would not be swayed.
When the Missing Service Personnel Act of 1996 came on the Senate Floor for debate, Senator McCain called this bill "un-necessary" and "burdensome" even though the MSPA was sponsored by the then majority leader and the man who had considered asking John McCain to run with him, Sen. Bob Dole.
McCain managed to get the MSPA amended by removing criminal liability and several articles that were important to POW/MIA Family members.
Listen to what fellow members of the U.S. House of Representatives (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c46_1200730386) have to say about John McCain on the POW/MIA issue!
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John McCain's selling out and stabbing his former friends in the back is his preferred tactic. Ask the families of the POW/MIAs who enthusiastically backed McCain when he first ran for Congress only to be dry-gulched (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1AWeZrdxfQ) by him when he no longer found them useful. As a gratuitous, sadistic flourish, McCain even had them investigated by the Justice Department on trumped-up charges. The fact that they were exonerated on all counts has yet to make an impression on McCain's airhead supporters who continue to trumpet the phony charges in deceitful neo-McCarthyite fashion. John McCain is an abysmal mediocrity who would never have made it on a level playing field. He was fifth from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. He racked up three life threatening "Dangerous Downs" at flight school -- the last one for flying his aircraft into the sea while asleep -- enough to get anyone without his political influence bounced down the back stairs. As for his record as a senator, can anyone remember a single significant thing this man has accomplished in more than a dozen years as a member of the Senate? Anything other than sell out the POWs and promote the interests of Communist Vietnam, that is. To those who have recently determined that we just HAVE to have this man as our next president, I pose the following question: WHY?