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[sprayandpray]

Okay, we might as well get a thread started. Has anyone else received their yearly 3 % raise? We can't even keep up with inflation. I sure hoped it might be better under the new company.:(

[Locatingart]

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[hykrdude]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[RoadMap]

UNIONS suck! Low man on the pole gets no work. Old fat and lazy with seniority sit around an get paid to do nothing. And get all the overtime. Sounds great if you are high up in seniority!

[sprayandpray]

I was trying to start a thread that is important to me at this moment. Now Locatingart has to interject his Union site onto this thread and get us off the topic. Listen Locart, if you don't want to make a bunch of enemies just start a thread about your activities interest etc. and don't step on everyone else's.

[RoadMap]

Locart quit spreading your union BS here. If we wanted to go union we would have already

[yahoo]

spray still waiting for my raise.............had my worst year last year...3 hits all small though.........i am hoping for at least 50 cents:confused:

[Goldenboy]

Spray I guess my glass is always half full but I still think anything that comes from the new buyout/merger won't take affect until the next fiscal year. I sure know that 3 percent is almost like a kick in the teeth but I wouldn't blame the new company just yet. Give them a chance, they are still trying to fix all the BS from alot of old management.

[6way_DPS]

I've been through at least three changes from one company to another, be through loss of a contract or buy out, and found myself better off when eveything washed out. Most of the time this involved better (newer) equipment, better pay and in one case a better position. I'd like to believe that this had as much (if not more) to do with my abilities being valued as being a little lucky. I'm looking for to this streak to continue on a positive track.

[beyond help]

I haven't seen 3% since........since.uh........um...... that's right, I haven't since we had that pay freeze. :mad: 3% was supposed to be the median raise(6% was the tops), not the maximum. But some DM's thought this to be a way to line their pockets a little more by controling more costs. My pitiful raises are not from performance issues. But from the fact that I had a tendancy to rock the boat a little. The average raise around here has been around 1.5 to 2%. By the way, most reviews were changed by the former DM here before they were given to the locator. I'm getting off track, need to stop.

[sprayandpray]

Spray I guess my glass is always half full but I still think anything that comes from the new buyout/merger won't take affect until the next fiscal year. I sure know that 3 percent is almost like a kick in the teeth but I wouldn't blame the new company just yet. Give them a chance, they are still trying to fix all the BS from alot of old management.

I'm trying to remain positive until I see the changes that will take place and am resigned to the fact that I will probably have to wait until next year to see if the new co. makes a difference. I have noticed that SMP seems to be getting stricter on some of their rules - wonder if Middle Mgmt is trying to impress the new ownership?

[Locatingart]

I received my 10% raise today from SM&P Life is good. But we need to be union so are jobs are protectedmore information to come. Please hold all questions till all the information is available.

[TBONE]

Ohh whatever not another frigin union topic:mad:

[shovelhead]

. I have noticed that SMP seems to be getting stricter on some of their rules - wonder if Middle Mgmt is trying to impress the new ownership?
You are correct sir, they are. Because that's how they were trained be Shively etc. They are going to have a rough go of it with this new group. These guys are HARDCORE and I've seen what they will do with a company...

On a side note, I did get my 3%. I had to raise hell for six straight weeks to get it, but I got it. Which is good, because our DM was just telling part of our group here that NO ONE is getting any raises during our Chicago merger with CLS.

But I think he was talking about the bump some guys expect when we take phone on top of our already huge workload. Which is going to get him in hot water with many of us, because he told another group that they will get a bump to raise the level to the CLS pay average, which is higher......

Now you can call me a "glass is half empty guy", and that's fine, but for SM&P it's just business as usual.

Anything having to do with money, and they can't seem to operate like the family lovin', hard working, down home boys they portray themselves to be.

They are tighter than two coats of paint......

And don't even get me started on their "business model" here in Chicago..

[RoadMap]

You mean it is a cluster*uck?

[Locatingart]

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[TBONE]

:rolleyes: Some seem to forget what little of nothing that the union did for a certian locator who was wrongfully terminated....yeah he finally got rehired over one year later:rolleyes:

[Locatingart]

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[Goldenboy]

locatingart if you want to talk union start a thread that is labeled union so people only have to see it and discuss it if they want. Just putting union propaganda in every post does not make bid well with others.

[beyond help]

Many over in this area are petrified of whats going to happen over the next few months. At first, it started getting better, but per usual, it's getting quite tight again in all ways. Hired a bunch of newbees, but won't allow us to do what we need to.

[sprayandpray]

Saw another announcement about a VP leaving SM&P - wonder how many of the old bunch will stay onboard? Well, at least the rumor mill has it down here we are out of the running for the Verizon contract - sure not hurting my feelings.:)

[TBONE]

looks like the whole SM&P and CLS merge is going to be a long road ahead "ohh there wont be any changes guys ....yeah right ..heard that before in the NOCUTS / CLS buyout:rolleyes:

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[Goldenboy]

I've told you multiple times that if you want to talk union start a union thread. Nobody here wants your union politics plastered all over every post. I have nothing against freedom of speech. It's just you have to know where to put your speech. Spamming every thread is not the way to do it.

[PedTool]

To: SpraynPaint

I am sorry that you didn't get your 3% raise minimum this year. I know that it is based on many different levels and who you work for [company], but I know based on where I sit and see many people did get that or beyond. I hope that under the new company we are all winners. So far my outlook is slim. Whats your thoughts.

PedTool

[PedTool]

Saw another announcement about a VP leaving SM&P - wonder how many of the old bunch will stay onboard? Well, at least the rumor mill has it down here we are out of the running for the Verizon contract - sure not hurting my feelings.:)


I heard from a good source that there is a contract up for sale in CA. With the merger of the two companies that were trying to get into CA, this might be a good time. Lets see what happens.

[TBONE]

I've told you multiple times that if you want to talk union start a union thread. Nobody here wants your union politics plastered all over every post. I have nothing against freedom of speech. It's just you have to know where to put your speech. Spamming every thread is not the way to do it.

I say one more time and we boot him and block his IP address what do you say??:confused: Lets not let this one get like the last one where we let it go and go

[wannabe]

They've been trying to get into CA a few years back. UTI or Utiliquest beat them out. Also looked into Nevada as well. What VP left? Was it T.S.? If so, he probably ran off with R.S. Two peas in a pod:cool:

[sprayandpray]

To: SpraynPaint

I am sorry that you didn't get your 3% raise minimum this year. I know that it is based on many different levels and who you work for [company], but I know based on where I sit and see many people did get that or beyond. I hope that under the new company we are all winners. So far my outlook is slim. Whats your thoughts.

PedTool


I got the 3% - the point being the CPI is at 4-4.5%, so I am actually going backward in pay unless I work more hours. In my particular situation this amounts to $5 to $7 per week which isn't much when looked at in the context of 1 person, 1 year. However, multiply by 10-15 yrs and by several hundred, or thousand employees, and it adds up in a hurry!

[beyond help]

I got the 3% - the point being the CPI is at 4-4.5%, so I am actually going backward in pay unless I work more hours. In my particular situation this amounts to $5 to $7 per week which isn't much when looked at in the context of 1 person, 1 year. However, multiply by 10-15 yrs and by several hundred, or thousand employees, and it adds up in a hurry!Inflation sure is a bitch. :mad:They have never kept up with it, and with the price of everything increasing by 7-10% in the past 2 years, why haven't our salaries. Right, we need to work more hours.

[USIC1]

Just think about the gas we dont pay for...

And the vehicle maintenance...


Gas and food are where most the inflation is skyrocketing...

[RoadMap]

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It would be nice if you would stop posting your union shit on this forum. If we want info on unions we all know how to use the internet or know how to open a phone book. Or is that too far above your IQ. Because that is what unions do. They employ and protect the lazy and stupid people who otherwise would have been terminated or unemployed!!!

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This is news to me. The Cablevine is not anti-union. I as a person am but not this site.

Let me think back a week or so where I sent Locatingart a PM that said something along the lines of: Please do not put links in your posts. If you want to start a thread on the union go ahead. You can put that link in your profile.

So... Locatingart would you like to post the exact PM I sent you or would that disprove your claim?:D I emptied my mail folders or I'd post it myself.

[Locatingart]

Now lets see how long it is before you remove it. May I have you permission to add a link to it. Or are you going to walk all over my rights to free speech. Last time I checked we live in the USA. We have hard working men and women fighting for are rights in the Middle East. Some are coming home with limbs missing or even in bogybags over 3000 plus. So the next time you feel to keep someone from expressing there veiw. Remember that bodybag coming off that plane to there family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I pray for you.!!

[wannabe]

Cut the melodrama and do what the man asks. It's his website and it's the established rules. Don't embarrass yourself with emotional nonsense and refer to the Constitution and those that defend it. You cheapen it and your argument.

[Locatingart]

Wannabe I have never read any rules that I could not speak about ideal in trying to improve locator position in better themselfs I am proud of the men of women of the armed forces over seas and I would never cheapen what there do for us everyday. Maybe you need to think about what you have given back to them for what there do for you. A group of my fellow locators and I help a wife of a U.S. Marine clean out the gutters and landscaping at there home while are wifes watched her kids while she went to a spa we paid for. I am not so proud of my fellow locator who dont care about nothing but themselfs. First in line to take something, but never steping forwrd to give someone a helping hand.

[big boots mcghee]

What's given back does not always need to be physically touched or seen, as I'm sure almost everyone on this forum has offered at the very least their thoughts, prayers, and respect to those who protect us and preserve our way of life. With that said, play that card on another hand, dude. It's not suited for this game.

[wannabe]

Locatingart, first and foremost, don't comment on what you don't know. I spent 3 plus enlistments in the Marine Corps, and I have been an active member of the American Legion for over 14 years. I give back to numerous oganizations, such as Toys for Tots, POW/MIA and the USO.

I pick up tabs for young Marines and Soldiers when I travel or when I see them out for dinner. I have visited elderly Veterans in homes, donated books to those deployed, and handed out poppies for the Legion. I really don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else when it comes to speaking on the subject of freedom or taking care of the American Fighting Men and Women.

I have seen the bodybags and I have consoled those who have lost someone. Stick to what you know, which from what I see isn't much, as you seem to focus on emotional BS.

I am not asking to be martyred or admired, I just ask that you continue to believe you are a patriot. But remember this...Patriots don't sit around and use emotional BS to further their cause. They do that with their sweat and blood. Where were you when the call came?

Probably cleaning out someones gutter and feeling good about yourself. I don't manage, I lead by example in everthing I do. Too bad there isn't an icon for "flipping the bird". In this case it would come in handy.

[sprayandpray]

Now lets see how long it is before you remove it. May I have you permission to add a link to it. Or are you going to walk all over my rights to free speech. Last time I checked we live in the USA. We have hard working men and women fighting for are rights in the Middle East. Some are coming home with limbs missing or even in bogybags over 3000 plus. So the next time you feel to keep someone from expressing there veiw. Remember that bodybag coming off that plane to there family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I pray for you.!!

Just what in the Hell does this have to do with this thread? I started this thread to discuss ongoing happenings involving the SMP-CLS merger, not to discuss Unions, Patriotism, Wars or anything else. Are you too stupid to understand the thread title?

The people interested in a union will read your posts in a union thread, so use one and stay the Hell out of this one.

[wannabe]

SprayandPray, you are correct and my apologies for letting this a** bait me and ruin your intent.

P.S. don't expect much in regards to raises, most companies are not giving more than 3%. I had my review and got 2.5%. Barely enough to cover my gas costs. Just lucky to have a job.

[AULupstate]

It's tuff to talk about things like this with the way things are right now. Gas is horrible, food is going up, utility delivery charges are going up hell everything is going up. With the percentage of inflation that has hit us in the last year and a half I'm suprised any one in business is still making 'GOOD' profits. I don't think well I know that no one was ready at all for the huge jump in prices for everything. Bonuses and mandatory pay raises in my opinion might become a thing of the past unless you are at the top.

[AULupstate]

13 years in Active Army (Current Reservist) with alot of deployments, so yeah, don't talk and try to use my service to this country to spout of at the mouth to try to prove your point about anything.

[underground quester]

Just got my raise and have to say was pleasantly surprised.

I must state however, that our economy is BOOMING out of sight mostly driven by the oil situation at the moment.

So, wages here, are an employees market. Don't like your job, go across the street for more money that's kind of the way it is at the moment.

I do know that other parts of Canada and the U.S. are hurting and we are seeing major influxes of people because of it. Lots of imports as well, mexican, russian, philipino,

Our company has an unbelievable number of jobs we cannot fill despite the company raising their wages dramatically over the past three years. This years training classes have had no more than 6 persons per class when we would normally be getting 12-15 per class. And, the drop out rate seems to be higher.

Having said that, costs here are crazy as well, so making bigger wages and getting bigger raises is just keeping us (maybe) even with inflation.

[GWJ_CAS]

Read post #32 from Roadmap about the unions employing lazy a$$es with low IQ's (or something like that) then...

Now for the corrections...
Wannabe I have never read any rules that I could not speak about ideal (don't know where he is going here) in trying to improve locator('s) position in better(ing) themselfs (themselves) I am proud of the men of women (perhaps he means Men AND Women) of the armed forces over seas (overseas) and I would never cheapen what there (they) do for us everyday. Maybe you need to think about what you have given back to them for what there (they) do for you. A group of my fellow locators and I help a (the) wife of a U.S. Marine clean out the gutters and landscaping at there (their) home while are (our) wifes (wives) watched her kids while she went to a spa we paid for. I am not so proud of my fellow locator(s) who don't care about nothing but themselfs (themselves). First in line to take something, but never steping (stepping) forwrd (forward) to give someone a helping hand.

Apparently the unions do not offer any classes in language arts or spelling and are happy to sign up those folks who most desperately need such classes.

"Art", to avoid such blunders in the future, notice the little ABC with the check mark in the upper left corner of the dialogue window.


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[beyond help]

Just got my raise and have to say was pleasantly surprised.

I must state however, that our economy is BOOMING out of sight mostly driven by the oil situation at the moment.

So, wages here, are an employees market. Don't like your job, go across the street for more money that's kind of the way it is at the moment.

I do know that other parts of Canada and the U.S. are hurting and we are seeing major influxes of people because of it. Lots of imports as well, mexican, russian, philipino,

Our company has an unbelievable number of jobs we cannot fill despite the company raising their wages dramatically over the past three years. This years training classes have had no more than 6 persons per class when we would normally be getting 12-15 per class. And, the drop out rate seems to be higher.

Having said that, costs here are crazy as well, so making bigger wages and getting bigger raises is just keeping us (maybe) even with inflation.The job market where I'm at is extremely bad. I am part of the 1 state recession (Michigan) that is going on here. Many of my friends that were making 6 figure incomes just a few years ago, are now going bankrupt and have already spent their retirement funds to try and cover their lifestyles. Granted most of these friends are in their late 30's, but they have one hell of a hill to climb. Theres about 30% unemployment with little hope in the next couple years of this getting any better.

[2RUDE]

Read post #32 from Roadmap about the unions employing lazy a$$es with low IQ's (or something like that) then...

Now for the corrections...


Apparently the unions do not offer any classes in language arts or spelling and are happy to sign up those folks who most desperately need such classes.

"Art", to avoid such blunders in the future, notice the little ABC with the check mark in the upper left corner of the dialogue window.


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GWJ_CAS,

Just curious as to whether or not you feel some sense of accomplishment, now that you've belittled "Locatingart" with your superior command of the English language? If you want to jump on a guy about making an off-topic post in this thread, that's one thing, but going after a guy, who is only trying to better his lot in life for himself and his fellow locators, in the manner which you did was absolutely uncalled for.

[GWJ_CAS]

GWJ_CAS,

Just curious as to whether or not you feel some sense of accomplishment, now that you've belittled "Locatingart" with your superior command of the English language? If you want to jump on a guy about making an off-topic post in this thread, that's one thing, but going after a guy, who is only trying to better his lot in life for himself and his fellow locators, in the manner which you did was absolutely uncalled for.

Perhaps it was over the top...I have a particular sore spot when it comes to folks who constantly preach the "Union" rhetoric. The lock step union mentality is counterintuitive and antiquated. I think unions prey on the weak-minded and under-educated by promising them a way to "level the playing field" and these folks buy this crap. My ill-conceived point in the correction post was to point out that "union folk" are not always the brightest stars in the sky and I apologize for my offense.

I think unions have far outlived their usefulness. I have a "union" background in my blood. My Grandfather (Mom's side) was an original founder of the Steamfitters Union in the early 1900's in Philly (Local 420 bears his mark). I have never been in a union, but I have always been in a field where no unions are necessary (I am a Civil Engineer) and for a great deal of my working life I have been in a management and owner position. I own a firm that does contract locating & SUE as part of our service offerings. Ask my locators if they want union representation, they will tell you NO, very loudly as the union folks make less and have fewer benefits and opportunities then they do.

I watched some of my high school buddies go into lines of work (in the late 70's & early 80's) where they felt it necessary to join the union for their trade. One was a fire sprinkler fitter, one was an electrician and two were jet engine mechanics. The fire sprinkler fitter worked five to six months a year, but bragged about making $17 per hour plus fringes while at the same time complaining about the "scab" companies that paid their guys $13 per hour (but those guys worked year-round and got decent benefits). Turns out the $13/hr guys grossed more pay every year than the $17/hr union guys...similar for my electrician buddy, 30 days of work here, 45 over there, never consistent, but bragging about his $18/hr for the four or five months of work...he finally saw the light when I hired him as a locator trainee at $12/hr and he admitted that he grossed more income at $12/hr working everyday then he did at $18/hr working sometimes...(he now makes over $22)

But by far the best union story belongs to my two close friends who are A&P Mechanics. Both worked for Eastern Airlines back in the day and both were making $19.60/hr plus benefits and flight privileges. They were some of the first guys to join the picket lines and go out on strike. The unions and the strike forced Eastern out of business. This was especially difficult for my family because my other Grandfather had worked for Eastern since 1937 when it was Eastern Mail Service. He flew with the great Eddie Rickenbacker up until WWII when he flew for the US Navy until 1946 and returned to Eastern to begin flying passengers. He worked there until 1979 having made it to VP of Base Operations Miami. My two buddies helped to crush a company that had been a part of my family's life for 45 years. The poetic justice is that they both had to take whatever jobs they could find in the A&P field and ended up working for a non-union shop as parts washers for $9.90/hr, almost $10/hr less than they were making at the company that they helped force out of business. They are both now auto mechanics for the State DOT Maintenance yard still making less today then they made at Eastern in 1983, and both still pay 3% to the AFSCME union because "they are union guys".

The idea that a union can dictate the fate of a company is unbelievable. Where is the sense of pride in the company you work for or the product you make? Every union guy I have ever spoken with shows no pride in his company or product and always spouts off about how he is being screwed by the company and how the company is getting fat off his labor and how they are going to strike if the company does not give them what they want.

One of my cousins works at the Ford Truck plant and is a UAW member. For the last seven years he has put the seats in F150 trucks. Nearly every workday for seven years. I asked him about doing a different a different job on the line just to switch things up...he said only when someone is out sick, he usually fills in for the steering rack guy, but that is his union "brother" Harold's job and "Harold would not try and take my job putting those seats in, so I won't try and get his job installing steering racks"...Lock Step Union Mentality, so out of touch and out of date.

[AULupstate]

I worked at a nuclear plant for a while when I had just left active duty. This following statement is ver batum what I was told when I attempted to pick up some trash that was on the floor to throw it away. "Don't do that. That is the maintenance peoples job. Call them and have them pick it up." This again follows the union mentality. Don't do anything other than what you were hired to do. No initiative, no clue about team work, no clue about 'real' life working conditions. Living in the union fantasy world makes you lazy, gives you a shitty 'I deserve it' attitude and makes you a shitty employee to hire for when your union cuts your job to save theirs.

[underground quester]

GWJ CAS

Very eloquently put message.

I too have a friend who is an airline mechanic and makes BIG BUCKS....when he works but that is not guaranteed year round. He keeps getting laid off, hired back, laid off, etc. but really keeps getting drawn back by the money.

He goes to work for other companies at about 25% less...and they WANT to keep him, but he just keeps going back to the union job. I guess in fairness, he has to in order to keep his seniority status.

But clearly as you pointed out so well, it can be a hare and tortoise kind of thing. Success does not always come to the one who runs the fastest or the furthest.

Good job of putting things in perspective.

[RoadMap]

.Lock Step Union Mentality, so out of touch and out of date.[/QUOTE]

Well said CAS. I have pro union relatives. Who believe union is the only way to go. But my dad was union was ran out after 31 years. Great union. CWA! What a crock! Here is your last check now get the F out.

[South Kansas]

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